From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.0 (2014-02-07) on aws-us-west-2-korg-lkml-1.web.codeaurora.org Received: from mail.kernel.org (mail.kernel.org [198.145.29.99]) by smtp.lore.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C143DC433EF for ; Thu, 30 Sep 2021 16:26:45 +0000 (UTC) Received: from vger.kernel.org (vger.kernel.org [23.128.96.18]) by mail.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A41596134F for ; Thu, 30 Sep 2021 16:26:45 +0000 (UTC) Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S245512AbhI3Q21 (ORCPT ); Thu, 30 Sep 2021 12:28:27 -0400 Received: from mail-ua1-f49.google.com ([209.85.222.49]:45612 "EHLO mail-ua1-f49.google.com" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1350828AbhI3Q21 (ORCPT ); Thu, 30 Sep 2021 12:28:27 -0400 Received: by mail-ua1-f49.google.com with SMTP id 64so4644356uab.12; Thu, 30 Sep 2021 09:26:44 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20210112; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=JiF0/ZgjKWbd99LN0jFcf3oajDZ2ssdc3I0XUDxzEhU=; b=5wBSQiAfAi8nlZ4+HZXYjDS5ca3XisOSNQqyjHlmPl+WuD98ULpkHVSHEYsjk8GR3P YNChRoTCT24rMQ+CclzV6joyfX3o8eqpvbufXmsrqcjxNxvQCVQdiNbv9d/SXaR25iwv 7V6Q0ajfSSwKzCsPE78376f4BLYJHtRXD91UiP/4HTr9si0uQk8yEXGmxzNZO9YnivXV uP8u8DnNeBb3LygoeJ6MZyyQzYY0wLF2+jOaMMQgdj5ZFL0lH08gv7mSCLjuEAQwUbY7 wzY+aYxYgBmmlbvwdXhxU68hzyY5YjJKoM66vO73XWxIdcyY3A3R8m1sT4Bk9qISbq2O 1Rkg== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM533ubi3RHAzaGp0c7dclA6w6IqGQP+OQygq9rhg/6n/bhkzn7bj5 lnDV8FvYlu9MwLAtQHZiZW+IAlOsiftgJD/xMiM= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJxXKENqdoBP7B9ZGTIy/mSCP2ayP3D8cOsCZjbfOGW3dAAimFFBEtD7kMLVg//tPmAC5MEnBkgUBT1EBe51f7Y= X-Received: by 2002:ab0:58c1:: with SMTP id r1mr6402945uac.89.1633019203566; Thu, 30 Sep 2021 09:26:43 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <20210928235635.1348330-1-willmcvicker@google.com> <7766faf8-2dd1-6525-3b9a-8ba790c29cff@canonical.com> <72d27a82-9d4d-1f91-bd1f-ebead3b75ffa@canonical.com> <8d260548-176e-d76b-6f05-d4d02ddd4f67@canonical.com> In-Reply-To: From: Geert Uytterhoeven Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2021 18:26:31 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 00/12] arm64: Kconfig: Update ARCH_EXYNOS select configs To: Lee Jones Cc: Krzysztof Kozlowski , Will McVicker , Russell King , Catalin Marinas , Will Deacon , Michael Turquette , Stephen Boyd , Sylwester Nawrocki , Tomasz Figa , Chanwoo Choi , Linus Walleij , Alessandro Zummo , Alexandre Belloni , John Stultz , Thomas Gleixner , Saravana Kannan , "Cc: Android Kernel" , Linux ARM , Linux Kernel Mailing List , linux-samsung-soc , linux-clk , "open list:GPIO SUBSYSTEM" , linux-rtc@vger.kernel.org, Arnd Bergmann , Olof Johansson Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Precedence: bulk List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-gpio@vger.kernel.org Hi Lee, On Thu, Sep 30, 2021 at 6:21 PM Lee Jones wrote: > On Thu, 30 Sep 2021, Geert Uytterhoeven wrote: > > On Thu, Sep 30, 2021 at 3:29 PM Lee Jones wrote: > > > On Thu, 30 Sep 2021, Krzysztof Kozlowski wrote: > > > > On 30/09/2021 14:39, Lee Jones wrote: > > > > > On Thu, 30 Sep 2021, Krzysztof Kozlowski wrote: > > > > >> On 30/09/2021 11:23, Lee Jones wrote: > > > > >>> [0] Full disclosure: part of my role at Linaro is to keep the Android > > > > >>> kernel running as close to Mainline as possible and encourage/push the > > > > >>> upstream-first mantra, hence my involvement with this and other sets. > > > > >>> I assure you all intentions are good and honourable. If you haven't > > > > >>> already seen it, please see Todd's most recent update on the goals and > > > > >>> status of GKI: > > > > >>> > > > > >>> Article: https://tinyurl.com/saaen3sp > > > > >>> Video: https://youtu.be/O_lCFGinFPM > > > > >>> > > > > >> > > > > >> Side topic, why this patchset is in your scope or Will's/Google's scope? > > > > >> Just drop it from Android main kernel, it will not be your problem. I > > > > >> mean, really, you don't need this patchset in your tree at all. The only > > > > >> platform which needs it, the only platform which will loose something > > > > >> will be one specific vendor. Therefore this will be an incentive for > > > > >> them to join both discussions and upstream development. :) > > > > > > > > > > How would they fix this besides upstreaming support for unreleased > > > > > work-in-progress H/W? > > > > > > > > > > Haven't I explained this several times already? :) > > > > > > > > Either that way or the same as Will's doing but that's not my question. > > > > I understand you flush the queue of your GKI patches to be closer to > > > > upstream. Reduce the backlog/burden. you can achieve your goal by simply > > > > dropping such patch and making it not your problem. :) > > > > > > git reset --hard mainline/master # job done - tea break :) > > > > > > Seriously though, we wish to encourage the use of GKI so all vendors > > > can enjoy the benefits of more easily updateable/secure code-bases. > > > > > > I can't see how pushing back on seamlessly benign changes would > > > benefit them or anyone else. > > > > I like your wording ;-) > > > > Indeed, seamlessly benign changes, which are (1) not tested, and (2) > > some believed by the platform maintainer to break the platform. > > What can possibly go wrong? ;-) > > William has already shown a willingness to test the series. I'm looking forward to the results! Gr{oetje,eeting}s, Geert -- Geert Uytterhoeven -- There's lots of Linux beyond ia32 -- geert@linux-m68k.org In personal conversations with technical people, I call myself a hacker. 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Thu, 30 Sep 2021 09:26:43 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <20210928235635.1348330-1-willmcvicker@google.com> <7766faf8-2dd1-6525-3b9a-8ba790c29cff@canonical.com> <72d27a82-9d4d-1f91-bd1f-ebead3b75ffa@canonical.com> <8d260548-176e-d76b-6f05-d4d02ddd4f67@canonical.com> In-Reply-To: From: Geert Uytterhoeven Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2021 18:26:31 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 00/12] arm64: Kconfig: Update ARCH_EXYNOS select configs To: Lee Jones Cc: Krzysztof Kozlowski , Will McVicker , Russell King , Catalin Marinas , Will Deacon , Michael Turquette , Stephen Boyd , Sylwester Nawrocki , Tomasz Figa , Chanwoo Choi , Linus Walleij , Alessandro Zummo , Alexandre Belloni , John Stultz , Thomas Gleixner , Saravana Kannan , "Cc: Android Kernel" , Linux ARM , Linux Kernel Mailing List , linux-samsung-soc , linux-clk , "open list:GPIO SUBSYSTEM" , linux-rtc@vger.kernel.org, Arnd Bergmann , Olof Johansson X-CRM114-Version: 20100106-BlameMichelson ( TRE 0.8.0 (BSD) ) MR-646709E3 X-CRM114-CacheID: sfid-20210930_092644_863634_54BF6334 X-CRM114-Status: GOOD ( 40.02 ) X-BeenThere: linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: "linux-arm-kernel" Errors-To: linux-arm-kernel-bounces+linux-arm-kernel=archiver.kernel.org@lists.infradead.org Hi Lee, On Thu, Sep 30, 2021 at 6:21 PM Lee Jones wrote: > On Thu, 30 Sep 2021, Geert Uytterhoeven wrote: > > On Thu, Sep 30, 2021 at 3:29 PM Lee Jones wrote: > > > On Thu, 30 Sep 2021, Krzysztof Kozlowski wrote: > > > > On 30/09/2021 14:39, Lee Jones wrote: > > > > > On Thu, 30 Sep 2021, Krzysztof Kozlowski wrote: > > > > >> On 30/09/2021 11:23, Lee Jones wrote: > > > > >>> [0] Full disclosure: part of my role at Linaro is to keep the Android > > > > >>> kernel running as close to Mainline as possible and encourage/push the > > > > >>> upstream-first mantra, hence my involvement with this and other sets. > > > > >>> I assure you all intentions are good and honourable. If you haven't > > > > >>> already seen it, please see Todd's most recent update on the goals and > > > > >>> status of GKI: > > > > >>> > > > > >>> Article: https://tinyurl.com/saaen3sp > > > > >>> Video: https://youtu.be/O_lCFGinFPM > > > > >>> > > > > >> > > > > >> Side topic, why this patchset is in your scope or Will's/Google's scope? > > > > >> Just drop it from Android main kernel, it will not be your problem. I > > > > >> mean, really, you don't need this patchset in your tree at all. The only > > > > >> platform which needs it, the only platform which will loose something > > > > >> will be one specific vendor. Therefore this will be an incentive for > > > > >> them to join both discussions and upstream development. :) > > > > > > > > > > How would they fix this besides upstreaming support for unreleased > > > > > work-in-progress H/W? > > > > > > > > > > Haven't I explained this several times already? :) > > > > > > > > Either that way or the same as Will's doing but that's not my question. > > > > I understand you flush the queue of your GKI patches to be closer to > > > > upstream. Reduce the backlog/burden. you can achieve your goal by simply > > > > dropping such patch and making it not your problem. :) > > > > > > git reset --hard mainline/master # job done - tea break :) > > > > > > Seriously though, we wish to encourage the use of GKI so all vendors > > > can enjoy the benefits of more easily updateable/secure code-bases. > > > > > > I can't see how pushing back on seamlessly benign changes would > > > benefit them or anyone else. > > > > I like your wording ;-) > > > > Indeed, seamlessly benign changes, which are (1) not tested, and (2) > > some believed by the platform maintainer to break the platform. > > What can possibly go wrong? ;-) > > William has already shown a willingness to test the series. I'm looking forward to the results! Gr{oetje,eeting}s, Geert -- Geert Uytterhoeven -- There's lots of Linux beyond ia32 -- geert@linux-m68k.org In personal conversations with technical people, I call myself a hacker. But when I'm talking to journalists I just say "programmer" or something like that. -- Linus Torvalds _______________________________________________ linux-arm-kernel mailing list linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org http://lists.infradead.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-arm-kernel