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From: John Stultz <jstultz@google.com>
To: "Liang, Kan" <kan.liang@linux.intel.com>
Cc: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
	Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	mingo@redhat.com, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, sboyd@kernel.org,
	eranian@google.com, namhyung@kernel.org, ak@linux.intel.com,
	adrian.hunter@intel.com
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH V2 2/9] perf: Extend ABI to support post-processing monotonic raw conversion
Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2023 12:21:28 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CANDhNCoj6SseKe=7La9YqRzvBdhO5zetfDKzOqpue4J0MtyVaA@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <5dc37d95-493b-cb2a-1cc7-4ea80dc22740@linux.intel.com>

On Tue, Feb 14, 2023 at 12:09 PM Liang, Kan <kan.liang@linux.intel.com> wrote:
> On 2023-02-14 2:37 p.m., John Stultz wrote:
> > On Tue, Feb 14, 2023 at 9:46 AM Liang, Kan <kan.liang@linux.intel.com> wrote:
> >> If I understand correctly, the TSC calibration is done in the kernel.
> >> The kernel keeps updating the mul/shift. We dump the mul/shift into the
> >> perf mmap page for the user tools.
> >
> > Where is that done in the perf mmap? I wasn't aware.
>
> The updating of the mul/shift for sched_clock should be done in the
> set_cyc2ns_scale() in tsc.c

Thanks for the pointer!

> The perf user space tool mmap a page to retrieve the enabling
> time/running time from the kernel. On X86 and Arm, the conversion
> information from HW time (TSC) to sched_clock/perf_time is also stored
> in the page. Please see the arch_perf_update_userpage(). In the perf
> mmap, it only retrieve the current mul/shift information and write them
> into the page for the user space tool.
>
> This V2 patch series try to do the same thing for the monotonic raw
> conversion. So the kernel internal mul/shift information has to be exposed.

Ugh. Well, I think perf may have made a bad API choice here, so I'm
still going to push back on exposting timekeeping internals to
userland.

But I do suspect that with ways to provide paired TSC/CLOCK_MONOTONIC
values, you should be able to get the same functionality in userland
as if the underlying data was shared.

thanks
-john

  reply	other threads:[~2023-02-14 20:21 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 38+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2023-02-13 19:07 [RFC PATCH V2 0/9] Convert TSC to monotonic raw clock for PEBS kan.liang
2023-02-13 19:07 ` [RFC PATCH V2 1/9] timekeeping: Expose the conversion information of monotonic raw kan.liang
2023-02-13 19:28   ` John Stultz
2023-02-13 19:07 ` [RFC PATCH V2 2/9] perf: Extend ABI to support post-processing monotonic raw conversion kan.liang
2023-02-13 19:37   ` John Stultz
2023-02-13 21:40     ` Liang, Kan
2023-02-13 22:22       ` John Stultz
2023-02-14 10:43         ` Peter Zijlstra
2023-02-14 17:46           ` Liang, Kan
2023-02-14 19:37             ` John Stultz
2023-02-14 20:09               ` Liang, Kan
2023-02-14 20:21                 ` John Stultz [this message]
2023-03-12 20:50                   ` Andi Kleen
2023-02-14 19:34           ` John Stultz
2023-02-14 14:51         ` Liang, Kan
2023-02-14 17:00           ` Liang, Kan
2023-02-14 20:11             ` John Stultz
2023-02-14 20:38               ` Liang, Kan
2023-02-17 23:11                 ` John Stultz
2023-03-08 18:44                   ` Liang, Kan
2023-03-09  1:17                     ` John Stultz
2023-03-09 16:56                       ` Liang, Kan
2023-03-11  5:55                         ` John Stultz
2023-03-13 21:19                           ` Liang, Kan
2023-03-18  6:02                             ` John Stultz
2023-03-21 15:26                               ` Liang, Kan
2023-02-14 19:52           ` John Stultz
2023-02-13 19:07 ` [RFC PATCH V2 3/9] perf/x86: Factor out x86_pmu_sample_preload() kan.liang
2023-02-13 19:07 ` [RFC PATCH V2 4/9] perf/x86: Enable post-processing monotonic raw conversion kan.liang
2023-02-14 20:02   ` Thomas Gleixner
2023-02-14 20:21     ` Liang, Kan
2023-02-14 20:55       ` Thomas Gleixner
2023-03-21 15:38         ` Liang, Kan
2023-02-13 19:07 ` [RFC PATCH V2 5/9] perf/x86/intel: Enable large PEBS for monotonic raw kan.liang
2023-02-13 19:07 ` [RFC PATCH V2 6/9] tools headers UAPI: Sync linux/perf_event.h with the kernel sources kan.liang
2023-02-13 19:07 ` [RFC PATCH V2 7/9] perf session: Support the monotonic raw clock conversion information kan.liang
2023-02-13 19:07 ` [RFC PATCH V2 8/9] perf evsel, tsc: Support the monotonic raw clock conversion kan.liang
2023-02-13 19:07 ` [RFC PATCH V2 9/9] perf evsel: Enable post-processing monotonic raw conversion by default kan.liang

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