From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1752602Ab1KGI5u (ORCPT ); Mon, 7 Nov 2011 03:57:50 -0500 Received: from mail-vx0-f174.google.com ([209.85.220.174]:40443 "EHLO mail-vx0-f174.google.com" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1752339Ab1KGI5s convert rfc822-to-8bit (ORCPT ); Mon, 7 Nov 2011 03:57:48 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <4EB79C3E.6070606@redhat.com> References: <1320543320-32728-1-git-send-email-agraf@suse.de> <4EB66036.4080102@redhat.com> <1320577728.1428.73.camel@jaguar> <4EB67486.1070105@redhat.com> <4EB67D17.7000701@redhat.com> <4EB680D9.2070706@redhat.com> <877C82F4-F07C-44AA-8722-3AF57CFC4597@suse.de> <4EB6DBC6.2010404@redhat.com> <4EB6E798.3060000@redhat.com> <4EB79000.5040308@redhat.com> <4EB794E1.5060201@redhat.com> <4EB79C3E.6070606@redhat.com> Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2011 10:57:47 +0200 X-Google-Sender-Auth: ZRUaTOmjE8OZYqP4eIpEKXjyhHw Message-ID: Subject: Re: [PATCH] KVM: Add wrapper script around QEMU to test kernels From: Pekka Enberg To: Paolo Bonzini Cc: Alexander Graf , "kvm@vger.kernel.org list" , qemu-devel Developers , "linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org List" , Blue Swirl , Avi Kivity , =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Am=E9rico_Wang?= , Ingo Molnar , Linus Torvalds Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org On 11/07/2011 09:45 AM, Pekka Enberg wrote: >>> Specifications matter much more than working code.  Quirks are a fact >>> of life but should always come second. >> >> To quote Linus: >> >>   And I have seen _lots_ of total crap work that was based on specs. It's >> _the_ single worst way to write software, because it by definition means >>   that the software was written to match theory, not reality. On Mon, Nov 7, 2011 at 10:52 AM, Paolo Bonzini wrote: > All generalizations are false. What is that supposed to mean? You claimed we're "doing it wrong" and I explained you why we are doing it the way we are. Really, the way we do things in the KVM tool is not a bug, it's a feature. Pekka From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: Pekka Enberg Subject: Re: [PATCH] KVM: Add wrapper script around QEMU to test kernels Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2011 10:57:47 +0200 Message-ID: References: <1320543320-32728-1-git-send-email-agraf@suse.de> <4EB66036.4080102@redhat.com> <1320577728.1428.73.camel@jaguar> <4EB67486.1070105@redhat.com> <4EB67D17.7000701@redhat.com> <4EB680D9.2070706@redhat.com> <877C82F4-F07C-44AA-8722-3AF57CFC4597@suse.de> <4EB6DBC6.2010404@redhat.com> <4EB6E798.3060000@redhat.com> <4EB79000.5040308@redhat.com> <4EB794E1.5060201@redhat.com> <4EB79C3E.6070606@redhat.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: "kvm@vger.kernel.org list" , qemu-devel Developers , "linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org List" , Alexander Graf , Blue Swirl , Avi Kivity , =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Am=E9rico_Wang?= , Ingo Molnar , Linus Torvalds To: Paolo Bonzini Return-path: In-Reply-To: <4EB79C3E.6070606@redhat.com> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: qemu-devel-bounces+gceq-qemu-devel=gmane.org@nongnu.org Sender: qemu-devel-bounces+gceq-qemu-devel=gmane.org@nongnu.org List-Id: kvm.vger.kernel.org On 11/07/2011 09:45 AM, Pekka Enberg wrote: >>> Specifications matter much more than working code. =A0Quirks are a fact >>> of life but should always come second. >> >> To quote Linus: >> >> =A0 And I have seen _lots_ of total crap work that was based on specs. I= t's >> _the_ single worst way to write software, because it by definition means >> =A0 that the software was written to match theory, not reality. On Mon, Nov 7, 2011 at 10:52 AM, Paolo Bonzini wrote: > All generalizations are false. What is that supposed to mean? You claimed we're "doing it wrong" and I explained you why we are doing it the way we are. Really, the way we do things in the KVM tool is not a bug, it's a feature. Pekka From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.92]:54457) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1RNL1Z-0002CA-BQ for qemu-devel@nongnu.org; Mon, 07 Nov 2011 03:57:50 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1RNL1Y-0005KH-FH for qemu-devel@nongnu.org; Mon, 07 Nov 2011 03:57:49 -0500 Received: from mail-vx0-f173.google.com ([209.85.220.173]:51293) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1RNL1Y-0005KB-7H for qemu-devel@nongnu.org; Mon, 07 Nov 2011 03:57:48 -0500 Received: by vcbf13 with SMTP id f13so3471274vcb.4 for ; Mon, 07 Nov 2011 00:57:47 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: penberg@gmail.com In-Reply-To: <4EB79C3E.6070606@redhat.com> References: <1320543320-32728-1-git-send-email-agraf@suse.de> <4EB66036.4080102@redhat.com> <1320577728.1428.73.camel@jaguar> <4EB67486.1070105@redhat.com> <4EB67D17.7000701@redhat.com> <4EB680D9.2070706@redhat.com> <877C82F4-F07C-44AA-8722-3AF57CFC4597@suse.de> <4EB6DBC6.2010404@redhat.com> <4EB6E798.3060000@redhat.com> <4EB79000.5040308@redhat.com> <4EB794E1.5060201@redhat.com> <4EB79C3E.6070606@redhat.com> Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2011 10:57:47 +0200 Message-ID: From: Pekka Enberg Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Re: [Qemu-devel] [PATCH] KVM: Add wrapper script around QEMU to test kernels List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , To: Paolo Bonzini Cc: "kvm@vger.kernel.org list" , qemu-devel Developers , "linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org List" , Alexander Graf , Blue Swirl , Avi Kivity , =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Am=E9rico_Wang?= , Ingo Molnar , Linus Torvalds On 11/07/2011 09:45 AM, Pekka Enberg wrote: >>> Specifications matter much more than working code. =A0Quirks are a fact >>> of life but should always come second. >> >> To quote Linus: >> >> =A0 And I have seen _lots_ of total crap work that was based on specs. I= t's >> _the_ single worst way to write software, because it by definition means >> =A0 that the software was written to match theory, not reality. On Mon, Nov 7, 2011 at 10:52 AM, Paolo Bonzini wrote: > All generalizations are false. What is that supposed to mean? You claimed we're "doing it wrong" and I explained you why we are doing it the way we are. Really, the way we do things in the KVM tool is not a bug, it's a feature. Pekka