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From: Amir Goldstein <amir73il@gmail.com>
To: Miklos Szeredi <miklos@szeredi.hu>,
	Bernd Schubert <bernd.schubert@fastmail.fm>
Cc: Daniel Rosenberg <drosen@google.com>,
	Paul Lawrence <paullawrence@google.com>,
	 Alessio Balsini <balsini@android.com>,
	Christian Brauner <brauner@kernel.org>,
	 fuse-devel@lists.sourceforge.net, linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org,
	 Dave Chinner <david@fromorbit.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v14 00/12] FUSE passthrough for file io
Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2023 11:59:14 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAOQ4uxhKEGxLQ4nR1RfX+37x6KN-Vy8X_TobYpETtjcWng+=DA@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAJfpegtOt6MDFM3vsK+syJhpLMSm7wBazkXuxjRTXtAsn9gCuA@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Nov 29, 2023 at 6:55 PM Miklos Szeredi <miklos@szeredi.hu> wrote:
>
> On Wed, 29 Nov 2023 at 16:52, Amir Goldstein <amir73il@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > direct I/O read()/write() is never a problem.
> >
> > The question is whether mmap() on a file opened with FOPEN_DIRECT_IO
> > when the inode is in passthrough mode, also uses fuse_passthrough_mmap()?
>
> I think it should.
>
> > or denied, similar to how mmap with ff->open_flags & FOPEN_DIRECT_IO &&
> > vma->vm_flags & VM_MAYSHARE) && !fc->direct_io_relax
> > is denied?
>
> What would be the use case for FOPEN_DIRECT_IO with passthrough mmap?
>
> > A bit more challenging, because we will need to track unmounts, or at
> > least track
> > "was_cached_mmaped" state per file, but doable.
>
> Tracking unmaps via fuse_vma_close() should not be difficult.
>

I think that it is.

fuse_vma_close() does not seem to be balanced with fuse_file_mmap()
because IIUC, maps can be cloned via fork() etc.

It tried to implement an iocachectr refcount to track cache mmaps,
but it keeps underflowing in fuse_vma_close().

I would like us to consider a slightly different model.

We agreed that caching and passthrough mode on the same
inode cannot mix and there is no problem with different modes
per inode on the same filesystem.

I have a use case for mixing direct_io and passthrough on the
same inode (i.e. inode in passthrough mode).

I have no use case (yet) for the transition from caching to passthrough
mode on the same inode and direct_io cached mmaps complicate
things quite a bit for this scenario.

My proposal is to taint a direct_io file with FOPEN_CACHE_MMAP
if it was ever mmaped using page cache.
We will not try to clean this flag in fuse_vma_close(), it stays with
the file until release.

An FOPEN_CACHE_MMAP file forces an inode into caching mode,
same as a regular caching open.
We could allow server to set FOPEN_CACHE_MMAP along with
FOPEN_DIRECT_IO to preemptively deny future passthrough open,
but not sure this is important.
If we wanted to, we could let this flag combination have the same
meaning as direct_io_allow_mmap, but per file/inode.

In relation to the FOPEN_PARALLEL_DIRECT_WRITES vs.
FUSE_DIRECT_IO_ALLOW_MMAP discussion, Bernd has suggested
a per inode FUSE_I_CACHE_WRITES, state that tracks if caching writes
were ever done on inode to allow parallel dio on the rest of the inodes
in the filesystem.

FUSE_I_CACHE_WRITES is a sub-state of caching mode inode state.
I think maybe caching mode would be enough for both use cases -
preventing parallel dio and preventing passthrough open.

The result would be that parallel dio would be performed on inodes that
are not currently open in caching mode and have not been mmaped
at all (regardless of writes to page cache) using any of the currently
open direct_io files.

As long as the applications that use mmap write (e.g. compiler)
do not usually work on the same files as the applications that do
parallel dio writes (e.g. db) and as long as files that are typically mmaped
privately (exe and libs) don't need parallel dio writes,
I think that FUSE_I_CACHE_WRITES state will not be needed.

But maybe I am missing some cases. In any case, there is nothing
preventing FUSE_I_CACHE_WRITES to exist along side caching mode
if needed.

Thanks,
Amir.

  parent reply	other threads:[~2023-12-06  9:59 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 48+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2023-10-16 16:08 [PATCH v14 00/12] FUSE passthrough for file io Amir Goldstein
2023-10-16 16:08 ` [PATCH v14 01/12] fs: prepare for stackable filesystems backing file helpers Amir Goldstein
2023-10-16 16:08 ` [PATCH v14 02/12] fs: factor out backing_file_{read,write}_iter() helpers Amir Goldstein
2023-10-16 16:08 ` [PATCH v14 03/12] fs: factor out backing_file_splice_{read,write}() helpers Amir Goldstein
2023-10-16 16:08 ` [PATCH v14 04/12] fs: factor out backing_file_mmap() helper Amir Goldstein
2023-10-16 16:08 ` [PATCH v14 05/12] fuse: factor out helper for FUSE_DEV_IOC_CLONE Amir Goldstein
2023-10-16 16:08 ` [PATCH v14 06/12] fuse: introduce FUSE_PASSTHROUGH capability Amir Goldstein
2023-10-16 16:08 ` [PATCH v14 07/12] fuse: pass optional backing_id in struct fuse_open_out Amir Goldstein
2023-10-16 16:08 ` [PATCH v14 08/12] fuse: implement ioctls to manage backing files Amir Goldstein
2023-10-17  9:45   ` Amir Goldstein
2023-10-16 16:08 ` [PATCH v14 09/12] fuse: implement read/write passthrough Amir Goldstein
2023-10-16 16:09 ` [PATCH v14 10/12] fuse: implement splice_{read/write} passthrough Amir Goldstein
2023-10-16 16:09 ` [PATCH v14 11/12] fuse: implement passthrough for mmap Amir Goldstein
2023-10-16 16:09 ` [PATCH v14 12/12] fuse: implement passthrough for readdir Amir Goldstein
2023-10-19 14:33 ` [PATCH v14 00/12] FUSE passthrough for file io Amir Goldstein
2023-10-30 10:16   ` Miklos Szeredi
2023-10-31 10:28     ` Amir Goldstein
2023-10-31 11:16       ` Miklos Szeredi
2023-10-31 12:31         ` Amir Goldstein
2023-10-31 15:01           ` Miklos Szeredi
2023-10-31 17:44             ` Amir Goldstein
2023-11-01 11:32               ` Miklos Szeredi
2023-11-01 13:23                 ` Amir Goldstein
2023-11-01 14:42                   ` Miklos Szeredi
2023-11-01 15:06                     ` Amir Goldstein
2023-11-01 15:25                       ` Miklos Szeredi
2023-11-01 18:32                         ` Amir Goldstein
2023-11-02 10:46                           ` Miklos Szeredi
2023-11-02 13:07                             ` Amir Goldstein
2023-11-02 13:13                               ` Miklos Szeredi
2024-01-26 12:13                                 ` Amir Goldstein
2023-11-29  7:25                     ` Amir Goldstein
2023-11-29 14:13                       ` Miklos Szeredi
2023-11-29 15:06                         ` Amir Goldstein
2023-11-29 15:21                           ` Miklos Szeredi
2023-11-29 15:52                             ` Amir Goldstein
2023-11-29 16:55                               ` Miklos Szeredi
2023-11-29 17:39                                 ` Amir Goldstein
2023-11-29 20:46                                   ` Bernd Schubert
2023-11-29 21:39                                     ` Antonio SJ Musumeci
2023-11-29 22:01                                       ` Bernd Schubert
2023-11-30  7:29                                         ` Amir Goldstein
2023-11-30  7:12                                       ` Amir Goldstein
2023-11-30  8:17                                         ` Miklos Szeredi
2023-12-06  9:59                                 ` Amir Goldstein [this message]
2023-12-06 23:11                                   ` Bernd Schubert
2023-12-07  7:23                                     ` Amir Goldstein
2023-12-07  8:56                                       ` Bernd Schubert

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