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From: Mike Marshall <hubcap@omnibond.com>
To: Al Viro <viro@zeniv.linux.org.uk>
Cc: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
	linux-fsdevel <linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Stephen Rothwell <sfr@canb.auug.org.au>
Subject: Re: Orangefs ABI documentation
Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2016 22:22:40 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAOg9mSR+=Xj3rtf_DQQjxhWs=HQHYu-3Mjdb3LeOvaYEwLXvYA@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20160211004432.GM17997@ZenIV.linux.org.uk>

> If there is (or at least supposed to be) something that prevents completions
> of readdir requests (on unrelated directories, by different processes, etc.)
> out of order, PLEASE SAY SO.  I would really prefer not to have to fight
> the readdir side of that mess; cancels are already bad enough ;-/

Hi Al... your ideas sound good to me, I'll try to get you good
answers on stuff like the above sometime tomorrow...

Thanks!

-Mike

On Wed, Feb 10, 2016 at 7:44 PM, Al Viro <viro@zeniv.linux.org.uk> wrote:
> On Tue, Feb 09, 2016 at 11:13:28PM +0000, Al Viro wrote:
>> On Tue, Feb 09, 2016 at 10:40:50PM +0000, Al Viro wrote:
>>
>> > And the version in orangefs-2.9.3.tar.gz (your Frankenstein module?) is
>> > vulnerable to the same race.  2.8.1 isn't - it ignores signals on the
>> > cancel, but that means waiting for cancel to be processed (or timed out)
>> > on any interrupted read() before we return to userland.  We can return
>> > to that behaviour, of course, but I suspect that offloading it to something
>> > async (along with freeing the slot used by original operation) would be
>> > better from QoI point of view.
>>
>> That breakage had been introduced between 2.8.5 and 2.8.6 (at some point
>> during the spring of 2012).  AFAICS, all versions starting with 2.8.6 are
>> vulnerable...
>
> Matter of fact, older versions are _also_ broken, but it's much harder
> to trigger; you need the daemon to stall long enough for read() to time
> out, then everything as before.  After 2.8.5 all it takes on the read()
> side is a SIGKILL to read() caller just after the daemon has picked your
> request...
>
> TBH, it's tempting to kill the "wait for cancel to be finished" logics
> completely, mark cancel requests with a flag and stash the slot number
> into them.  Then, if flag is present, let set_op_state_purged() and
> set_op_state_serviced() callers release the slot and drop the request.
> And have wait_for_direct_io() treat the "need to cancel" case as "fire
> and forget" - no waiting for anything, no releasing the slots, just free
> the original op and bugger off.
>
> The set_op_state_purged() part is where it gets delicate - we want to remove
> the sucker from list/hash before dropping it.  AFAICS, it's doable - there's
> nothing in the "release slot and drop the request" that would not be allowed
> under the list/hash spinlocks...
>
> In principle, readdir problem could also be handled in a similar way, but
> there we'd need to have the interrupted readdir itself marked with that
> new flag and left in in-progress hash, so that when the response finally
> arrives it would be found and slot freeing would be handled ;-/  Doable,
> but not fun...
>
> If there is (or at least supposed to be) something that prevents completions
> of readdir requests (on unrelated directories, by different processes, etc.)
> out of order, PLEASE SAY SO.  I would really prefer not to have to fight
> the readdir side of that mess; cancels are already bad enough ;-/

  reply	other threads:[~2016-02-11  3:22 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 111+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2016-01-15 21:46 Orangefs ABI documentation Mike Marshall
2016-01-22  7:11 ` Al Viro
2016-01-22 11:09   ` Mike Marshall
2016-01-22 16:59     ` Mike Marshall
2016-01-22 17:08       ` Al Viro
2016-01-22 17:40         ` Mike Marshall
2016-01-22 17:43         ` Al Viro
2016-01-22 18:17           ` Mike Marshall
2016-01-22 18:37             ` Al Viro
2016-01-22 19:07               ` Mike Marshall
2016-01-22 19:21                 ` Mike Marshall
2016-01-22 20:04                   ` Al Viro
2016-01-22 20:30                     ` Mike Marshall
2016-01-23  0:12                       ` Al Viro
2016-01-23  1:28                         ` Al Viro
2016-01-23  2:54                           ` Mike Marshall
2016-01-23 19:10                             ` Al Viro
2016-01-23 19:24                               ` Mike Marshall
2016-01-23 21:35                                 ` Mike Marshall
2016-01-23 22:05                                   ` Al Viro
2016-01-23 21:40                                 ` Al Viro
2016-01-23 22:36                                   ` Mike Marshall
2016-01-24  0:16                                     ` Al Viro
2016-01-24  4:05                                       ` Al Viro
2016-01-24 22:12                                         ` Mike Marshall
2016-01-30 17:22                                           ` Al Viro
2016-01-26 19:52                                         ` Martin Brandenburg
2016-01-30 17:34                                           ` Al Viro
2016-01-30 18:27                                             ` Al Viro
2016-02-04 23:30                                               ` Mike Marshall
2016-02-06 19:42                                                 ` Al Viro
2016-02-07  1:38                                                   ` Al Viro
2016-02-07  3:53                                                     ` Al Viro
2016-02-07 20:01                                                       ` [RFC] bufmap-related wait logics (Re: Orangefs ABI documentation) Al Viro
2016-02-08 22:26                                                       ` Orangefs ABI documentation Mike Marshall
2016-02-08 23:35                                                         ` Al Viro
2016-02-09  3:32                                                           ` Al Viro
2016-02-09 14:34                                                             ` Mike Marshall
2016-02-09 17:40                                                               ` Al Viro
2016-02-09 21:06                                                                 ` Al Viro
2016-02-09 22:25                                                                   ` Mike Marshall
2016-02-11 23:36                                                                   ` Mike Marshall
2016-02-09 22:02                                                                 ` Mike Marshall
2016-02-09 22:16                                                                   ` Al Viro
2016-02-09 22:40                                                                     ` Al Viro
2016-02-09 23:13                                                                       ` Al Viro
2016-02-10 16:44                                                                         ` Al Viro
2016-02-10 21:26                                                                           ` Al Viro
2016-02-11 23:54                                                                           ` Mike Marshall
2016-02-12  0:55                                                                             ` Al Viro
2016-02-12 12:13                                                                               ` Mike Marshall
2016-02-11  0:44                                                                         ` Al Viro
2016-02-11  3:22                                                                           ` Mike Marshall [this message]
2016-02-12  4:27                                                                             ` Al Viro
2016-02-12 12:26                                                                               ` Mike Marshall
2016-02-12 18:00                                                                                 ` Martin Brandenburg
2016-02-13 17:18                                                                                   ` Mike Marshall
2016-02-13 17:47                                                                                     ` Al Viro
2016-02-14  2:56                                                                                       ` Al Viro
2016-02-14  3:46                                                                                         ` [RFC] slot allocator - waitqueue use review needed (Re: Orangefs ABI documentation) Al Viro
2016-02-14  4:06                                                                                           ` Al Viro
2016-02-16  2:12                                                                                           ` Al Viro
2016-02-16 19:28                                                                                             ` Al Viro
2016-02-14 22:31                                                                                         ` Orangefs ABI documentation Mike Marshall
2016-02-14 23:43                                                                                           ` Al Viro
2016-02-15 17:46                                                                                             ` Mike Marshall
2016-02-15 18:45                                                                                               ` Al Viro
2016-02-15 22:32                                                                                                 ` Martin Brandenburg
2016-02-15 23:04                                                                                                   ` Al Viro
2016-02-16 23:15                                                                                                     ` Mike Marshall
2016-02-16 23:36                                                                                                       ` Al Viro
2016-02-16 23:54                                                                                                         ` Al Viro
2016-02-17 19:24                                                                                                           ` Mike Marshall
2016-02-17 20:11                                                                                                             ` Al Viro
2016-02-17 21:17                                                                                                               ` Al Viro
2016-02-17 22:24                                                                                                                 ` Mike Marshall
2016-02-17 22:40                                                                                                             ` Martin Brandenburg
2016-02-17 23:09                                                                                                               ` Al Viro
2016-02-17 23:15                                                                                                                 ` Al Viro
2016-02-18  0:04                                                                                                                   ` Al Viro
2016-02-18 11:11                                                                                                                     ` Al Viro
2016-02-18 18:58                                                                                                                       ` Mike Marshall
2016-02-18 19:20                                                                                                                         ` Al Viro
2016-02-18 19:49                                                                                                                         ` Martin Brandenburg
2016-02-18 20:08                                                                                                                           ` Mike Marshall
2016-02-18 20:22                                                                                                                             ` Mike Marshall
2016-02-18 20:38                                                                                                                               ` Mike Marshall
2016-02-18 20:52                                                                                                                                 ` Al Viro
2016-02-18 21:50                                                                                                                                   ` Mike Marshall
2016-02-19  0:25                                                                                                                                     ` Al Viro
2016-02-19 22:11                                                                                                                                       ` Mike Marshall
2016-02-19 22:22                                                                                                                                         ` Al Viro
2016-02-20 12:14                                                                                                                                           ` Mike Marshall
2016-02-20 13:36                                                                                                                                             ` Al Viro
2016-02-22 16:20                                                                                                                                               ` Mike Marshall
2016-02-22 21:22                                                                                                                                                 ` Mike Marshall
2016-02-23 21:58                                                                                                                                                   ` Mike Marshall
2016-02-26 20:21                                                                                                                                                     ` Mike Marshall
2016-02-19 22:32                                                                                                                                         ` Al Viro
2016-02-19 22:45                                                                                                                                           ` Martin Brandenburg
2016-02-19 22:50                                                                                                                                           ` Martin Brandenburg
2016-02-18 20:49                                                                                                                               ` Al Viro
2016-02-15 22:47                                                                                                 ` Mike Marshall
2016-01-23 22:46                                   ` write() semantics (Re: Orangefs ABI documentation) Al Viro
2016-01-23 23:35                                     ` Linus Torvalds
2016-03-03 22:25                                       ` Mike Marshall
2016-03-04 20:55                                         ` Mike Marshall
2016-01-22 20:51                     ` Orangefs ABI documentation Mike Marshall
2016-01-22 23:53                       ` Mike Marshall
2016-01-22 19:54                 ` Al Viro
2016-01-22 19:50             ` Al Viro

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