From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:52545) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1bAL5f-0005Rn-4u for qemu-devel@nongnu.org; Tue, 07 Jun 2016 13:47:04 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1bAL5d-0007zP-R4 for qemu-devel@nongnu.org; Tue, 07 Jun 2016 13:46:59 -0400 Received: from mail-oi0-x243.google.com ([2607:f8b0:4003:c06::243]:36718) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1bAL5d-0007yd-Lx for qemu-devel@nongnu.org; Tue, 07 Jun 2016 13:46:57 -0400 Received: by mail-oi0-x243.google.com with SMTP id n3so15964315oig.3 for ; Tue, 07 Jun 2016 10:46:57 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20160607092443.GB20196@redhat.com> References: <20160607092443.GB20196@redhat.com> From: Attila-Mihaly Balazs Date: Tue, 7 Jun 2016 20:46:56 +0300 Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Subject: Re: [Qemu-devel] [PATCH] Make password based authentication the default for VNC List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , To: "Daniel P. Berrange" Cc: qemu-devel@nongnu.org, kraxel@redhat.com On Tue, Jun 7, 2016 at 12:24 PM, Daniel P. Berrange wrote: > On Tue, Jun 07, 2016 at 12:13:06PM +0300, Attila-Mihaly Balazs wrote: >> To improve the security of the embedded VNC server make password >> based authentication the default when no authentication mechanism >> is specified. > > VNC password authentication offers no meaningful level of security, > so this is really just going to change long standing default behaviour > of QEMU VNC configuration without any real world benefit IMHO. > While VNC password auth is quite limited (literally - to 8 characters :-)) it's still much better than just having an open VNC server. For example considering uppercase + lowercase + numbers (not even symbols) we would get a ~48 bit key which should hold up causal bruteforcers. > Anyone who actually wants credible real world security should be using > the TLS and/or SASL options to VNC, never the awful legacy passwd based > auth. > Agreed. The target of this patch is however not people who know that they want security, but rather people who don't know it :-). Ie. people who just run things with their default settings and stop as soon as it seems to work, without conideration for security. Regards, Attila > Regards, > Daniel > -- > |: http://berrange.com -o- http://www.flickr.com/photos/dberrange/ :| > |: http://libvirt.org -o- http://virt-manager.org :| > |: http://autobuild.org -o- http://search.cpan.org/~danberr/ :| > |: http://entangle-photo.org -o- http://live.gnome.org/gtk-vnc :|