From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: xerofoify@gmail.com (Nick Krause) Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2014 13:24:13 -0400 Subject: Help with btrfs project In-Reply-To: References: <33643.1408535442@turing-police.cc.vt.edu> Message-ID: To: kernelnewbies@lists.kernelnewbies.org List-Id: kernelnewbies.lists.kernelnewbies.org On Wed, Aug 20, 2014 at 1:20 PM, Nick Krause wrote: > On Wed, Aug 20, 2014 at 1:15 PM, Lidza Louina wrote: >> I agree with Jason. >> >> I do want Nick to learn the kernel (anyone who wants to learn should >> be able to and we're always looking for new developers) but most of us >> don't have the time or training to be able to help him. Learning via >> email seems to be a very bad medium for him to get a kernel education. >> Emails already take away the human element from communicating (tone of >> voice, facial expressions, etc), and on top of that he has this >> disorder. I really believe that if he finds someone to act as a middle >> man between him and the kernel making sure that he understands our >> emails (to the best of his ability), will help tremendously. I'm sure >> he's smart enough and earnest, but his Asperger's is making this very >> difficult for everyone. >> >> Hopefully once a system that works for him is set in place, he can >> tell us what is working for him and the kernel could learn how to >> better interact with people with communication disorders and others >> with Autism. >> >> Lidza >> >> On Wed, Aug 20, 2014 at 12:33 PM, Mandeep Sandhu >> wrote: >>> Agree with Jason here. >>> >>> If you don't find his questions palatable, just _ignore_ them instead >>> of sending rants and sarcastic emails which just wastes more of your >>> own time. That way the SNR of this list will improve! :) >>> >>> On Wed, Aug 20, 2014 at 8:46 AM, Jason Conklin wrote: >>>> Guys, stop it. Nick has told us he has Asperger syndrome; as such, he >>>> is not likely to understand facetious or flippant remarks for what >>>> they are. The time you've spent responding to Nick's emails would be >>>> much better used reading a little about autism spectrum disorders >>>> [1,2] and the kinds of difficulty and confusion they cause in more >>>> normal ("neurotypical") contexts, for both AS people and the people >>>> they interact with. Otherwise, just move on. >>>> >>>> I am not a psychologist or an expert on autism spectrum disorders, but >>>> I know enough to recognize that his behavior on this and other lists >>>> is consistent with several aspects of those disorders. The sad thing >>>> is that he's getting treated as a malicious troll or a fool, when it's >>>> pretty clear (to me, anyway) that he's fascinated by the kernel and >>>> just trying to learn as well as he knows how. >>>> >>>> Without going into autism spectrum intricacies or speculating on >>>> Nick's particular traits, I'll note that Aspergers is "characterized >>>> by significant difficulties in social interaction and nonverbal >>>> communication" (from Wikipedia) -- which we have seen repeatedly in >>>> Nick's frequently inappropriate and unresearched questions and >>>> misunderstanding/misuse of the good advice he has received. >>>> >>>> The resulting frustration is understandable. I acknowledge that the >>>> format of this and especially the working kernel lists is simply not >>>> equipped to handle Nick's sort of engagement. The best practice, if >>>> you're frustrated by Nick's emails, is probably to follow the protocol >>>> for feeding trolls -- ie, don't -- even though his motivations are >>>> different from what I'd consider a "real" troll's. You simply cannot >>>> expect him to respond (neuro)typically to your input. >>>> >>>> I don't intend to discuss this here anymore, but I really hope the >>>> above can provide a little context to help the community make more >>>> fruitful decisions in response to Nick's questions, or at least temper >>>> your frustrations. >>>> >>>> Jason Conklin >>>> >>>> >>>> [1] http://bit.ly/1odpfrd (Wikipedia: Autism spectrum) >>>> >>>> [2] http://bit.ly/1rmgrHg (Wikipedia: Asperger syndrome) >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Kernelnewbies mailing list >>>> Kernelnewbies at kernelnewbies.org >>>> http://lists.kernelnewbies.org/mailman/listinfo/kernelnewbies >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Kernelnewbies mailing list >>> Kernelnewbies at kernelnewbies.org >>> http://lists.kernelnewbies.org/mailman/listinfo/kernelnewbies > The issue isn't the emails, it's that I am not custom to working in > a high level programming environment. If someone just explains > what I should not do in a written list of rules, I should be fine :). > Nick In addition it's now not considered a disability most medical professionals consider it a huge advantage. Nick