From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: xerofoify@gmail.com (Nick Krause) Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2014 13:33:55 -0400 Subject: Help with btrfs project In-Reply-To: References: <33643.1408535442@turing-police.cc.vt.edu> <53F4D9F0.9050200@gmail.com> Message-ID: To: kernelnewbies@lists.kernelnewbies.org List-Id: kernelnewbies.lists.kernelnewbies.org On Wed, Aug 20, 2014 at 1:30 PM, Nick Krause wrote: > On Wed, Aug 20, 2014 at 1:25 PM, Philipp Muhoray > wrote: >> >> Am 2014-08-20 19:20, schrieb Nick Krause: >>> On Wed, Aug 20, 2014 at 1:15 PM, Lidza Louina wrote: >>>> I agree with Jason. >>>> >>>> I do want Nick to learn the kernel (anyone who wants to learn should >>>> be able to and we're always looking for new developers) but most of us >>>> don't have the time or training to be able to help him. Learning via >>>> email seems to be a very bad medium for him to get a kernel education. >>>> Emails already take away the human element from communicating (tone of >>>> voice, facial expressions, etc), and on top of that he has this >>>> disorder. I really believe that if he finds someone to act as a middle >>>> man between him and the kernel making sure that he understands our >>>> emails (to the best of his ability), will help tremendously. I'm sure >>>> he's smart enough and earnest, but his Asperger's is making this very >>>> difficult for everyone. >>>> >>>> Hopefully once a system that works for him is set in place, he can >>>> tell us what is working for him and the kernel could learn how to >>>> better interact with people with communication disorders and others >>>> with Autism. >>>> >>>> Lidza >>>> >>>> On Wed, Aug 20, 2014 at 12:33 PM, Mandeep Sandhu >>>> wrote: >>>>> Agree with Jason here. >>>>> >>>>> If you don't find his questions palatable, just _ignore_ them instead >>>>> of sending rants and sarcastic emails which just wastes more of your >>>>> own time. That way the SNR of this list will improve! :) >>>>> >>>>> On Wed, Aug 20, 2014 at 8:46 AM, Jason Conklin wrote: >>>>>> Guys, stop it. Nick has told us he has Asperger syndrome; as such, he >>>>>> is not likely to understand facetious or flippant remarks for what >>>>>> they are. The time you've spent responding to Nick's emails would be >>>>>> much better used reading a little about autism spectrum disorders >>>>>> [1,2] and the kinds of difficulty and confusion they cause in more >>>>>> normal ("neurotypical") contexts, for both AS people and the people >>>>>> they interact with. Otherwise, just move on. >>>>>> >>>>>> I am not a psychologist or an expert on autism spectrum disorders, but >>>>>> I know enough to recognize that his behavior on this and other lists >>>>>> is consistent with several aspects of those disorders. The sad thing >>>>>> is that he's getting treated as a malicious troll or a fool, when it's >>>>>> pretty clear (to me, anyway) that he's fascinated by the kernel and >>>>>> just trying to learn as well as he knows how. >>>>>> >>>>>> Without going into autism spectrum intricacies or speculating on >>>>>> Nick's particular traits, I'll note that Aspergers is "characterized >>>>>> by significant difficulties in social interaction and nonverbal >>>>>> communication" (from Wikipedia) -- which we have seen repeatedly in >>>>>> Nick's frequently inappropriate and unresearched questions and >>>>>> misunderstanding/misuse of the good advice he has received. >>>>>> >>>>>> The resulting frustration is understandable. I acknowledge that the >>>>>> format of this and especially the working kernel lists is simply not >>>>>> equipped to handle Nick's sort of engagement. The best practice, if >>>>>> you're frustrated by Nick's emails, is probably to follow the protocol >>>>>> for feeding trolls -- ie, don't -- even though his motivations are >>>>>> different from what I'd consider a "real" troll's. You simply cannot >>>>>> expect him to respond (neuro)typically to your input. >>>>>> >>>>>> I don't intend to discuss this here anymore, but I really hope the >>>>>> above can provide a little context to help the community make more >>>>>> fruitful decisions in response to Nick's questions, or at least temper >>>>>> your frustrations. >>>>>> >>>>>> Jason Conklin >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> [1] http://bit.ly/1odpfrd (Wikipedia: Autism spectrum) >>>>>> >>>>>> [2] http://bit.ly/1rmgrHg (Wikipedia: Asperger syndrome) >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> Kernelnewbies mailing list >>>>>> Kernelnewbies at kernelnewbies.org >>>>>> http://lists.kernelnewbies.org/mailman/listinfo/kernelnewbies >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Kernelnewbies mailing list >>>>> Kernelnewbies at kernelnewbies.org >>>>> http://lists.kernelnewbies.org/mailman/listinfo/kernelnewbies >>> The issue isn't the emails, it's that I am not custom to working in >>> a high level programming environment. If someone just explains >>> what I should not do in a written list of rules, I should be fine :). >>> Nick >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Kernelnewbies mailing list >>> Kernelnewbies at kernelnewbies.org >>> http://lists.kernelnewbies.org/mailman/listinfo/kernelnewbies >> Here's a task for you, then: >> Reread all of our mails from the last few days regarding your behavior, >> and extract anything that we said you should or shouldn't do. Write it >> down in the form of a list, pin it on your wall and commit to it. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Kernelnewbies mailing list >> Kernelnewbies at kernelnewbies.org >> http://lists.kernelnewbies.org/mailman/listinfo/kernelnewbies > Sure that's fine. > Nick > > _______________________________________________ > Kernelnewbies mailing list > Kernelnewbies at kernelnewbies.org > http://lists.kernelnewbies.org/mailman/listinfo/kernelnewbies Phillip, I would like to get back on the list for some work with the btrfs developers and I was banned. If someone would allow the ban to be removed, I would find it much easier as I can email the right developers with my patches and questions rather then just trying to get in through kernel newbies. Cheers Nick