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charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: ksummit-discuss-bounces@lists.linuxfoundation.org Sender: "Ksummit-discuss" On Sun, 5 Jul 2020 at 12:12, Stephen Rothwell wrote: > > Hi Dave, > > On Sun, 5 Jul 2020 09:34:57 +1000 Dave Airlie wrote: > > > > On Sun, 5 Jul 2020 at 06:45, Stephen Rothwell wrote: > > > > > > On Sat, 04 Jul 2020 13:02:51 -0700 Dan Williams wrote: > > > > > > > > +The Linux kernel is a global software project, and in 2020 there was a > > > > +global reckoning on race relations that caused many organizations to > > > > +re-evaluate their policies and practices relative to the inclusion of > > > > +people of African descent. This document describes why the 'Naming' > > > > > > I feel a need to point out that racial issues are wider than just > > > people of African descent ... Also, others have pointed out that > > > slavery is not just restricted to those of African descent. > > > > The racial issues are wider than that, and even wider again I'm sure, > > but in 2020 this is as good a place to start as any, and the trigger > > as that sentence says was in 2020, there was a reckoning about it > > mainly due to people of African descent. That trigger has had flow on > > effects in other countries, but I'm not sure that sentence in any way > > diminishes that, it's merely an introduction to why this change is > > happening now. > > And reading it again in the (actual) light of day, I see you are right > and I misinterpreted this. > > > As for the non-black slavery, others have never pointed this out > > (I did not say "non-black") > Sorry I misdirected what you said a bit, and I did misinterpret as Australia also has it's own indigenous slavery issues, I was trying to stop the "white slavery" is a thing crew from turning up on this. Apologies for accidentally implying something what you hadn't said. Dave. _______________________________________________ Ksummit-discuss mailing list Ksummit-discuss@lists.linuxfoundation.org https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/ksummit-discuss From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.0 (2014-02-07) on aws-us-west-2-korg-lkml-1.web.codeaurora.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.8 required=3.0 tests=DKIM_SIGNED,DKIM_VALID, DKIM_VALID_AU,FREEMAIL_FORGED_FROMDOMAIN,FREEMAIL_FROM, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS,MAILING_LIST_MULTI,SPF_HELO_NONE,SPF_PASS autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.0 Received: from mail.kernel.org (mail.kernel.org [198.145.29.99]) by smtp.lore.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 18C5EC433E0 for ; Sun, 5 Jul 2020 02:56:40 +0000 (UTC) Received: from vger.kernel.org (vger.kernel.org [23.128.96.18]) by mail.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EAE6320936 for ; Sun, 5 Jul 2020 02:56:39 +0000 (UTC) Authentication-Results: mail.kernel.org; dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com header.i=@gmail.com header.b="B4Zl3xGH" Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1728231AbgGEC4h (ORCPT ); Sat, 4 Jul 2020 22:56:37 -0400 Received: from lindbergh.monkeyblade.net ([23.128.96.19]:39838 "EHLO lindbergh.monkeyblade.net" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1728004AbgGEC4g (ORCPT ); Sat, 4 Jul 2020 22:56:36 -0400 Received: from mail-ed1-x543.google.com (mail-ed1-x543.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4864:20::543]) by lindbergh.monkeyblade.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 35666C061794 for ; Sat, 4 Jul 2020 19:56:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-ed1-x543.google.com with SMTP id e22so31630172edq.8 for ; Sat, 04 Jul 2020 19:56:36 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=vBRoyIDDEXWuOdpKocJGfyLVUig4XuQim58BgYt5AW4=; b=B4Zl3xGH6a9uCdz1vSO6zx/aNHbXpsWUt8vWTJ5Krm1HzMg8CAN/BFWnHDOCaDmET0 uAU1hhXbUfdKLPDcOI3/Ah1ui0QeLjz1f5HIow0Zpu+oUK/nnu+YiqQ8XDND4Odm4hnZ yABCGSQIbZtvKQCUeOyFXc/64ukaqwyge6uXTdiQGCHm0MS2Bl68ezENCMy6ZO4V/6w6 Jjyj9wHfIBPN6JXyZn+iMZ7n0gWkyMREyOXa0EdxJEo0QPbfTSxDLJDc2EUqtQAuyKw4 13nmOZaNiWnNtWHGRXiPjR8+9dOyi8vZ2Hr/P3UD9xmLunmJ3QM++aozNg9m+MQ3Y4IB U6QA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=vBRoyIDDEXWuOdpKocJGfyLVUig4XuQim58BgYt5AW4=; b=j1zFEq0zonmihFiKt+K08QkNxOoevqZUUC1h2ThXXNDJZ+hKIVvjwLZQPUZBUlkUwr QYgLqyS5bTGst0PsiGbR4BcV+FgYWsOiXz2W86XZNuEBL0B8Sx4aba0ep96c+4vP8xVv BzHNR1oW4PmGvA3jZiuY+Lvi5JWga+vJ8NDtywIeyGwbfD++G7PgqklAV7YrobuVpGo1 vhjg7FXW4gqP14qiEZnagotP6DnIKyRDQjmmM5EDquBKFofwC04s4L7afeRDcFAdObFe KyUPulZL6ePFsyibcvm3r8Tvv66WrvX8AysNoyrhV5xJw05LMz/KZZXsGuF4elG2dRWD uHhw== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM530QbwRDLeYXCVszCv5GdoPYwf2Hnps7w5awlY7pWt7wcLQmzGBN T1MTNRu0zvXR9JjMwCTJkyTjq8/dPOGlc3zjFwbHx5QU X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJwqBqdhktxvnACOO8QFCSHxYt2PEzHgR/vybRWWfR8D9Gqp/tUd4idtWY5ESjf64gys/SOtFc2NeN2pKWzosz4= X-Received: by 2002:a50:f08c:: with SMTP id v12mr47609189edl.119.1593917794873; Sat, 04 Jul 2020 19:56:34 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <159389297140.2210796.13590142254668787525.stgit@dwillia2-desk3.amr.corp.intel.com> <20200705064348.71d4d51f@canb.auug.org.au> <20200705121216.2ce2dd46@canb.auug.org.au> In-Reply-To: <20200705121216.2ce2dd46@canb.auug.org.au> From: Dave Airlie Date: Sun, 5 Jul 2020 12:56:23 +1000 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [Ksummit-discuss] [PATCH] CodingStyle: Inclusive Terminology To: Stephen Rothwell Cc: Dan Williams , ksummit , Greg Kroah-Hartman , LKML , tech-board-discuss@lists.linuxfoundation.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org Precedence: bulk List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org On Sun, 5 Jul 2020 at 12:12, Stephen Rothwell wrote: > > Hi Dave, > > On Sun, 5 Jul 2020 09:34:57 +1000 Dave Airlie wrote: > > > > On Sun, 5 Jul 2020 at 06:45, Stephen Rothwell wrote: > > > > > > On Sat, 04 Jul 2020 13:02:51 -0700 Dan Williams wrote: > > > > > > > > +The Linux kernel is a global software project, and in 2020 there was a > > > > +global reckoning on race relations that caused many organizations to > > > > +re-evaluate their policies and practices relative to the inclusion of > > > > +people of African descent. This document describes why the 'Naming' > > > > > > I feel a need to point out that racial issues are wider than just > > > people of African descent ... Also, others have pointed out that > > > slavery is not just restricted to those of African descent. > > > > The racial issues are wider than that, and even wider again I'm sure, > > but in 2020 this is as good a place to start as any, and the trigger > > as that sentence says was in 2020, there was a reckoning about it > > mainly due to people of African descent. That trigger has had flow on > > effects in other countries, but I'm not sure that sentence in any way > > diminishes that, it's merely an introduction to why this change is > > happening now. > > And reading it again in the (actual) light of day, I see you are right > and I misinterpreted this. > > > As for the non-black slavery, others have never pointed this out > > (I did not say "non-black") > Sorry I misdirected what you said a bit, and I did misinterpret as Australia also has it's own indigenous slavery issues, I was trying to stop the "white slavery" is a thing crew from turning up on this. Apologies for accidentally implying something what you hadn't said. Dave. From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=vBRoyIDDEXWuOdpKocJGfyLVUig4XuQim58BgYt5AW4=; b=B4Zl3xGH6a9uCdz1vSO6zx/aNHbXpsWUt8vWTJ5Krm1HzMg8CAN/BFWnHDOCaDmET0 uAU1hhXbUfdKLPDcOI3/Ah1ui0QeLjz1f5HIow0Zpu+oUK/nnu+YiqQ8XDND4Odm4hnZ yABCGSQIbZtvKQCUeOyFXc/64ukaqwyge6uXTdiQGCHm0MS2Bl68ezENCMy6ZO4V/6w6 Jjyj9wHfIBPN6JXyZn+iMZ7n0gWkyMREyOXa0EdxJEo0QPbfTSxDLJDc2EUqtQAuyKw4 13nmOZaNiWnNtWHGRXiPjR8+9dOyi8vZ2Hr/P3UD9xmLunmJ3QM++aozNg9m+MQ3Y4IB U6QA== MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <159389297140.2210796.13590142254668787525.stgit@dwillia2-desk3.amr.corp.intel.com> <20200705064348.71d4d51f@canb.auug.org.au> <20200705121216.2ce2dd46@canb.auug.org.au> In-Reply-To: <20200705121216.2ce2dd46@canb.auug.org.au> From: Dave Airlie Date: Sun, 5 Jul 2020 12:56:23 +1000 Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Subject: Re: [Tech-board-discuss] [Ksummit-discuss] [PATCH] CodingStyle: Inclusive Terminology List-Id: Public TAB discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , To: Stephen Rothwell Cc: Greg Kroah-Hartman , tech-board-discuss@lists.linuxfoundation.org, LKML , ksummit On Sun, 5 Jul 2020 at 12:12, Stephen Rothwell wrote: > > Hi Dave, > > On Sun, 5 Jul 2020 09:34:57 +1000 Dave Airlie wrote: > > > > On Sun, 5 Jul 2020 at 06:45, Stephen Rothwell wrote: > > > > > > On Sat, 04 Jul 2020 13:02:51 -0700 Dan Williams wrote: > > > > > > > > +The Linux kernel is a global software project, and in 2020 there was a > > > > +global reckoning on race relations that caused many organizations to > > > > +re-evaluate their policies and practices relative to the inclusion of > > > > +people of African descent. This document describes why the 'Naming' > > > > > > I feel a need to point out that racial issues are wider than just > > > people of African descent ... Also, others have pointed out that > > > slavery is not just restricted to those of African descent. > > > > The racial issues are wider than that, and even wider again I'm sure, > > but in 2020 this is as good a place to start as any, and the trigger > > as that sentence says was in 2020, there was a reckoning about it > > mainly due to people of African descent. That trigger has had flow on > > effects in other countries, but I'm not sure that sentence in any way > > diminishes that, it's merely an introduction to why this change is > > happening now. > > And reading it again in the (actual) light of day, I see you are right > and I misinterpreted this. > > > As for the non-black slavery, others have never pointed this out > > (I did not say "non-black") > Sorry I misdirected what you said a bit, and I did misinterpret as Australia also has it's own indigenous slavery issues, I was trying to stop the "white slavery" is a thing crew from turning up on this. Apologies for accidentally implying something what you hadn't said. Dave.