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From: Song Liu <song@kernel.org>
To: Mike Rapoport <rppt@kernel.org>
Cc: Kent Overstreet <kent.overstreet@linux.dev>,
	linux-mm@kvack.org, Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Dave Hansen <dave.hansen@linux.intel.com>,
	Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
	Rick Edgecombe <rick.p.edgecombe@intel.com>,
	Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	Vlastimil Babka <vbabka@suse.cz>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, x86@kernel.org
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH 1/5] mm: intorduce __GFP_UNMAPPED and unmapped_alloc()
Date: Fri, 19 May 2023 08:42:38 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAPhsuW6xsHupB2EGGrgEdd+13ORSvPAymRgnrAfxG2U0Jfo4vQ@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20230519082945.GE4967@kernel.org>

On Fri, May 19, 2023 at 1:30 AM Mike Rapoport <rppt@kernel.org> wrote:
>
> Hi Kent,
>
> On Thu, May 18, 2023 at 01:23:56PM -0400, Kent Overstreet wrote:
> > On Thu, May 18, 2023 at 10:00:39AM -0700, Song Liu wrote:
> > > On Thu, May 18, 2023 at 9:48 AM Kent Overstreet
> > > <kent.overstreet@linux.dev> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > On Thu, May 18, 2023 at 09:33:20AM -0700, Song Liu wrote:
> > > > > I am working on patches based on the discussion in [1]. I am planning to
> > > > > send v1 for review in a week or so.
> > > >
> > > > Hey Song, I was reviewing that thread too,
> > > >
> > > > Are you taking a different approach based on Thomas's feedback? I think
> > > > he had some fair points in that thread.
> > >
> > > Yes, the API is based on Thomas's suggestion, like 90% from the discussions.
> > >
> > > >
> > > > My own feeling is that the buddy allocator is our tool for allocating
> > > > larger variable sized physically contiguous allocations, so I'd like to
> > > > see something based on that - I think we could do a hybrid buddy/slab
> > > > allocator approach, like we have for regular memory allocations.
> > >
> > > I am planning to implement the allocator based on this (reuse
> > > vmap_area logic):
> >
> > Ah, you're still doing vmap_area approach.
> >
> > Mike's approach looks like it'll be _much_ lighter weight and higher
> > performance, to me. vmalloc is known to be slow compared to the buddy
> > allocator, and with Mike's approach we're only modifying mappings once
> > per 2 MB chunk.
> >
> > I don't see anything in your code for sub-page sized allocations too, so
> > perhaps I should keep going with my slab allocator.
>
> Your allocator implicitly relies on vmalloc because of module_alloc ;-)
>
> What I was thinking is that we can replace module_alloc() calls in your
> allocator with something based on my unmapped_alloc(). If we make the part
> that refills the cache also take care of creating the mapping in the
> module address space, that should cover everything.

Here are what I found as I work more on the code:

1. It takes quite some work to create a clean interface and make sure
    all the users of module_alloc can use the new allocator on all archs.
    (archs with text poke need to work with ROX memory from the
    allocator; archs without text poke need to have a clean fall back
    mechanism, etc.). Most of this work is independent of the actual
    allocator, so we can do this part and plug in whatever allocator we
    want (buddy+slab or vmap-based or any other solutions).

2. vmap_area based solution will work. And it will be one solution for
    both < PAGE_SIZE and > PAGE_SIZE allocations. Given
    module_alloc is not in any hot path (AFAIK), I don't see any
    practical issues with this solution. It will be a little tricky to place
    and name the code, as it uses vmalloc logic, but it is technically a
    module allocator.

I will prioritize building the interface, and migrating users to it. If we
do this part right, changing the underlying allocator should be
straightforward.

Thanks,
Song

  reply	other threads:[~2023-05-19 15:42 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 64+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2023-03-08  9:41 [RFC PATCH 0/5] Prototype for direct map awareness in page allocator Mike Rapoport
2023-03-08  9:41 ` [RFC PATCH 1/5] mm: intorduce __GFP_UNMAPPED and unmapped_alloc() Mike Rapoport
2023-03-09  1:56   ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2023-03-09 14:39     ` Mike Rapoport
2023-03-09 15:34       ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2023-03-09  6:31   ` Hyeonggon Yoo
2023-03-09 15:27     ` Mike Rapoport
2023-03-24  8:37   ` Michal Hocko
2023-03-25  6:38     ` Mike Rapoport
2023-03-27 13:43       ` Michal Hocko
2023-03-27 14:31         ` Vlastimil Babka
2023-03-27 15:10           ` Michal Hocko
2023-03-28  6:25         ` Mike Rapoport
2023-03-28  7:39           ` Michal Hocko
2023-03-28 15:11             ` Mike Rapoport
2023-03-28 15:24               ` Michal Hocko
2023-03-29  7:28                 ` Mike Rapoport
2023-03-29  8:13                   ` Michal Hocko
2023-03-30  5:13                     ` Mike Rapoport
2023-03-30  8:11                       ` Michal Hocko
2023-03-28 17:18               ` Luis Chamberlain
2023-03-28 17:37                 ` Matthew Wilcox
2023-03-28 17:52                   ` Luis Chamberlain
2023-03-28 17:55                     ` Luis Chamberlain
2023-05-18  3:35   ` Kent Overstreet
2023-05-18 15:23     ` Mike Rapoport
2023-05-18 16:33       ` Song Liu
2023-05-18 16:48         ` Kent Overstreet
2023-05-18 17:00           ` Song Liu
2023-05-18 17:23             ` Kent Overstreet
2023-05-18 18:47               ` Song Liu
2023-05-18 19:03                 ` Song Liu
2023-05-18 19:15                   ` Kent Overstreet
2023-05-18 20:03                     ` Song Liu
2023-05-18 20:13                       ` Kent Overstreet
2023-05-18 20:51                     ` Song Liu
2023-05-19  1:24                       ` Kent Overstreet
2023-05-19 15:08                         ` Song Liu
2023-05-18 19:16                   ` Kent Overstreet
2023-05-19  8:29               ` Mike Rapoport
2023-05-19 15:42                 ` Song Liu [this message]
2023-05-22 22:05                   ` Thomas Gleixner
2023-05-19 15:47                 ` Kent Overstreet
2023-05-19 16:14                   ` Mike Rapoport
2023-05-19 16:21                     ` Kent Overstreet
2023-05-18 16:58         ` Kent Overstreet
2023-05-18 17:15           ` Song Liu
2023-05-18 17:25             ` Kent Overstreet
2023-05-18 18:54               ` Song Liu
2023-05-18 19:01           ` Song Liu
2023-05-18 19:10             ` Kent Overstreet
2023-03-08  9:41 ` [RFC PATCH 2/5] mm/unmapped_alloc: add debugfs file similar to /proc/pagetypeinfo Mike Rapoport
2023-03-08  9:41 ` [RFC PATCH 3/5] mm/unmapped_alloc: add shrinker Mike Rapoport
2023-03-08  9:41 ` [RFC PATCH 4/5] EXPERIMENTAL: x86: use __GFP_UNMAPPED for modele_alloc() Mike Rapoport
2023-03-09  1:54   ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2023-03-08  9:41 ` [RFC PATCH 5/5] EXPERIMENTAL: mm/secretmem: use __GFP_UNMAPPED Mike Rapoport
2023-03-09  1:59 ` [RFC PATCH 0/5] Prototype for direct map awareness in page allocator Edgecombe, Rick P
2023-03-09 15:14   ` Mike Rapoport
2023-05-19 15:40     ` Sean Christopherson
2023-05-19 16:24       ` Mike Rapoport
2023-05-19 18:25         ` Sean Christopherson
2023-05-25 20:37           ` Mike Rapoport
2023-03-10  7:27 ` Christoph Hellwig
2023-03-27 14:27 ` Mike Rapoport

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