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From: Daniel Stone <daniel@fooishbar.org>
To: Pavel Machek <pavel@ucw.cz>
Cc: Sean Paul <seanpaul@chromium.org>,
	David Airlie <airlied@linux.ie>,
	intel-gfx <intel-gfx@lists.freedesktop.org>,
	Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	linux-mediatek@lists.infradead.org,
	dri-devel <dri-devel@lists.freedesktop.org>,
	Daniel Vetter <daniel.vetter@intel.com>,
	"linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org" 
	<linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org>
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH 1/6] drm: Add Content Protection property
Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2017 20:14:03 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAPj87rOiUM93c_-ZYK6pf-56bs_=hjK8Kkn8fz1ZH_wQTvV_xg@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20171205173408.GA18425@amd>

Hi Pavel,

On 5 December 2017 at 17:34, Pavel Machek <pavel@ucw.cz> wrote:
> Yes, so... This patch makes it more likely to see machines with locked
> down kernels, preventing developers from working with systems their
> own, running hardware. That is evil, and direct threat to Free
> software movement.
>
> Users compiling their own kernels get no benefit from it. Actually it
> looks like this only benefits Intel and Disney. We don't want that.

With all due respect, you can't claim to speak for the entire kernel
and FLOSS community of users and developers.

The feature is optional: it does not enforce additional constraints on
users, but exposes additional functionality already present in
hardware, for those who wish to opt in to it. Those who wish to avoid
it can do so, by simply not making active use of it.

Cheers,
Daniel

WARNING: multiple messages have this Message-ID (diff)
From: Daniel Stone <daniel@fooishbar.org>
To: Pavel Machek <pavel@ucw.cz>
Cc: David Airlie <airlied@linux.ie>,
	intel-gfx <intel-gfx@lists.freedesktop.org>,
	Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	dri-devel <dri-devel@lists.freedesktop.org>,
	linux-mediatek@lists.infradead.org,
	Daniel Vetter <daniel.vetter@intel.com>,
	"linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org"
	<linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org>
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH 1/6] drm: Add Content Protection property
Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2017 20:14:03 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAPj87rOiUM93c_-ZYK6pf-56bs_=hjK8Kkn8fz1ZH_wQTvV_xg@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20171205173408.GA18425@amd>

Hi Pavel,

On 5 December 2017 at 17:34, Pavel Machek <pavel@ucw.cz> wrote:
> Yes, so... This patch makes it more likely to see machines with locked
> down kernels, preventing developers from working with systems their
> own, running hardware. That is evil, and direct threat to Free
> software movement.
>
> Users compiling their own kernels get no benefit from it. Actually it
> looks like this only benefits Intel and Disney. We don't want that.

With all due respect, you can't claim to speak for the entire kernel
and FLOSS community of users and developers.

The feature is optional: it does not enforce additional constraints on
users, but exposes additional functionality already present in
hardware, for those who wish to opt in to it. Those who wish to avoid
it can do so, by simply not making active use of it.

Cheers,
Daniel
_______________________________________________
Intel-gfx mailing list
Intel-gfx@lists.freedesktop.org
https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/intel-gfx

WARNING: multiple messages have this Message-ID (diff)
From: daniel@fooishbar.org (Daniel Stone)
To: linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org
Subject: [RFC PATCH 1/6] drm: Add Content Protection property
Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2017 20:14:03 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAPj87rOiUM93c_-ZYK6pf-56bs_=hjK8Kkn8fz1ZH_wQTvV_xg@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20171205173408.GA18425@amd>

Hi Pavel,

On 5 December 2017 at 17:34, Pavel Machek <pavel@ucw.cz> wrote:
> Yes, so... This patch makes it more likely to see machines with locked
> down kernels, preventing developers from working with systems their
> own, running hardware. That is evil, and direct threat to Free
> software movement.
>
> Users compiling their own kernels get no benefit from it. Actually it
> looks like this only benefits Intel and Disney. We don't want that.

With all due respect, you can't claim to speak for the entire kernel
and FLOSS community of users and developers.

The feature is optional: it does not enforce additional constraints on
users, but exposes additional functionality already present in
hardware, for those who wish to opt in to it. Those who wish to avoid
it can do so, by simply not making active use of it.

Cheers,
Daniel

  parent reply	other threads:[~2017-12-05 20:14 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 62+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2017-11-30  3:08 [RFC PATCH 0/6] drm/i915: Implement HDCP Sean Paul
2017-11-30  3:08 ` [RFC PATCH 1/6] drm: Add Content Protection property Sean Paul
2017-11-30  3:08   ` Sean Paul
2017-11-30  3:08   ` Sean Paul
2017-12-05 10:28   ` Pavel Machek
2017-12-05 10:28     ` Pavel Machek
2017-12-05 10:28     ` Pavel Machek
2017-12-05 10:45     ` Daniel Vetter
2017-12-05 10:45       ` Daniel Vetter
2017-12-05 10:45       ` Daniel Vetter
2017-12-05 17:34       ` Pavel Machek
2017-12-05 17:34         ` Pavel Machek
2017-12-05 17:34         ` Pavel Machek
2017-12-05 17:53         ` Alex Deucher
2017-12-05 17:53           ` Alex Deucher
2017-12-05 17:53           ` Alex Deucher
2017-12-05 18:01           ` Pavel Machek
2017-12-05 18:01             ` Pavel Machek
2017-12-05 18:01             ` Pavel Machek
2017-12-07 14:32           ` Alan Cox
2017-12-07 14:32             ` Alan Cox
2017-12-05 19:03         ` Sean Paul
2017-12-05 19:03           ` Sean Paul
2017-12-05 19:03           ` Sean Paul
2017-12-05 20:14         ` Daniel Stone [this message]
2017-12-05 20:14           ` Daniel Stone
2017-12-05 20:14           ` Daniel Stone
2017-12-07 14:30       ` Alan Cox
2017-12-07 14:30         ` Alan Cox
2017-12-07 14:30         ` Alan Cox
2017-12-08  8:55         ` Daniel Vetter
2017-12-08  8:55           ` Daniel Vetter
2017-12-08  8:55           ` Daniel Vetter
2017-11-30  3:08 ` [RFC PATCH 2/6] drm: Add some HDCP related #defines Sean Paul
2017-11-30  3:08   ` Sean Paul
2017-11-30  3:08 ` [RFC PATCH 3/6] drm/i915: Add HDCP framework + base implementation Sean Paul
2017-11-30  3:08   ` Sean Paul
2017-11-30  9:12   ` [Intel-gfx] " Chris Wilson
2017-12-01  7:23   ` Ramalingam C
2017-12-01  7:23     ` Ramalingam C
2017-12-01  7:36     ` [Intel-gfx] " Daniel Vetter
2017-12-01  7:36       ` Daniel Vetter
2017-12-01  8:36       ` [Intel-gfx] " Ramalingam C
2017-12-01  8:36         ` Ramalingam C
2017-12-01 14:13         ` Sean Paul
2017-12-01 14:13           ` Sean Paul
2017-12-01 14:12       ` [Intel-gfx] " Sean Paul
2017-12-01 14:16       ` Sean Paul
2017-12-01 14:16         ` Sean Paul
2017-11-30  3:08 ` [RFC PATCH 4/6] drm/i915: Add function to output Aksv over GMBUS Sean Paul
2017-11-30  3:08   ` Sean Paul
2017-11-30  3:09 ` [RFC PATCH 5/6] drm/i915: Implement HDCP for HDMI Sean Paul
2017-11-30  3:09   ` Sean Paul
2017-12-01  7:31   ` Ramalingam C
2017-12-01  7:31     ` Ramalingam C
2017-11-30  3:09 ` [RFC PATCH 6/6] drm/i915: Implement HDCP for DisplayPort Sean Paul
2017-11-30  7:50 ` [Intel-gfx] [RFC PATCH 0/6] drm/i915: Implement HDCP Daniel Vetter
2017-12-05 13:45   ` Ville Syrjälä
2017-12-05 14:45     ` Sean Paul
2017-11-30  9:07 ` ✗ Fi.CI.BAT: failure for " Patchwork
2017-11-30 10:05 ` Patchwork
2017-11-30 15:15 ` Patchwork

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