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From: Daniel Stone <daniel@fooishbar.org>
To: Alex Deucher <alexdeucher@gmail.com>
Cc: "Paul Menzel" <pmenzel@molgen.mpg.de>,
	"Arunpravin Paneer Selvam" <arunpravin.paneerselvam@amd.com>,
	"Intel Graphics Development" <intel-gfx@lists.freedesktop.org>,
	"amd-gfx list" <amd-gfx@lists.freedesktop.org>,
	"Maling list - DRI developers" <dri-devel@lists.freedesktop.org>,
	"Deucher, Alexander" <alexander.deucher@amd.com>,
	"Christian König" <christian.koenig@amd.com>,
	"Matthew Auld" <matthew.auld@intel.com>
Subject: Re: Commit messages (was: [PATCH v11] drm/amdgpu: add drm buddy support to amdgpu)
Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2022 15:24:08 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAPj87rPhuVTDJSsY-HsKfvV3xkDhEn7nUd3WLsxNuJD=Mx2Zxg@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CADnq5_Mt5sWCC7hLLBH_DJdvXGqSTbNNaxWpY+cWWD9Vpa8KGQ@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, 23 Mar 2022 at 15:14, Alex Deucher <alexdeucher@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Wed, Mar 23, 2022 at 11:04 AM Daniel Stone <daniel@fooishbar.org> wrote:
> > That's not what anyone's saying here ...
> >
> > No-one's demanding AMD publish RTL, or internal design docs, or
> > hardware specs, or URLs to JIRA tickets no-one can access.
> >
> > This is a large and invasive commit with pretty big ramifications;
> > containing exactly two lines of commit message, one of which just
> > duplicates the subject.
> >
> > It cannot be the case that it's completely impossible to provide any
> > justification, background, or details, about this commit being made.
> > Unless, of course, it's to fix a non-public security issue, that is
> > reasonable justification for eliding some of the details. But then
> > again, 'huge change which is very deliberately opaque' is a really
> > good way to draw a lot of attention to the commit, and it would be
> > better to provide more detail about the change to help it slip under
> > the radar.
> >
> > If dri-devel@ isn't allowed to inquire about patches which are posted,
> > then CCing the list is just a façade; might as well just do it all
> > internally and periodically dump out pull requests.
>
> I think we are in agreement. I think the withheld information
> Christian was referring to was on another thread with Christian and
> Paul discussing a workaround for a hardware bug:
> https://www.spinics.net/lists/amd-gfx/msg75908.html

Right, that definitely seems like some crossed wires. I don't see
anything wrong with that commit at all: the commit message and a
comment notes that there is a hardware issue preventing Raven from
being able to do TMZ+GTT, and the code does the very straightforward
and obvious thing to ensure that on VCN 1.0, any TMZ buffer must be
VRAM-placed.

This one, on the other hand, is much less clear ...

Cheers,
Daniel

WARNING: multiple messages have this Message-ID (diff)
From: Daniel Stone <daniel@fooishbar.org>
To: Alex Deucher <alexdeucher@gmail.com>
Cc: "Paul Menzel" <pmenzel@molgen.mpg.de>,
	"Arunpravin Paneer Selvam" <arunpravin.paneerselvam@amd.com>,
	"Intel Graphics Development" <intel-gfx@lists.freedesktop.org>,
	"amd-gfx list" <amd-gfx@lists.freedesktop.org>,
	"Maling list - DRI developers" <dri-devel@lists.freedesktop.org>,
	"Deucher, Alexander" <alexander.deucher@amd.com>,
	"Christian König" <christian.koenig@amd.com>,
	"Matthew Auld" <matthew.auld@intel.com>
Subject: Re: [Intel-gfx] Commit messages (was: [PATCH v11] drm/amdgpu: add drm buddy support to amdgpu)
Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2022 15:24:08 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAPj87rPhuVTDJSsY-HsKfvV3xkDhEn7nUd3WLsxNuJD=Mx2Zxg@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CADnq5_Mt5sWCC7hLLBH_DJdvXGqSTbNNaxWpY+cWWD9Vpa8KGQ@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, 23 Mar 2022 at 15:14, Alex Deucher <alexdeucher@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Wed, Mar 23, 2022 at 11:04 AM Daniel Stone <daniel@fooishbar.org> wrote:
> > That's not what anyone's saying here ...
> >
> > No-one's demanding AMD publish RTL, or internal design docs, or
> > hardware specs, or URLs to JIRA tickets no-one can access.
> >
> > This is a large and invasive commit with pretty big ramifications;
> > containing exactly two lines of commit message, one of which just
> > duplicates the subject.
> >
> > It cannot be the case that it's completely impossible to provide any
> > justification, background, or details, about this commit being made.
> > Unless, of course, it's to fix a non-public security issue, that is
> > reasonable justification for eliding some of the details. But then
> > again, 'huge change which is very deliberately opaque' is a really
> > good way to draw a lot of attention to the commit, and it would be
> > better to provide more detail about the change to help it slip under
> > the radar.
> >
> > If dri-devel@ isn't allowed to inquire about patches which are posted,
> > then CCing the list is just a façade; might as well just do it all
> > internally and periodically dump out pull requests.
>
> I think we are in agreement. I think the withheld information
> Christian was referring to was on another thread with Christian and
> Paul discussing a workaround for a hardware bug:
> https://www.spinics.net/lists/amd-gfx/msg75908.html

Right, that definitely seems like some crossed wires. I don't see
anything wrong with that commit at all: the commit message and a
comment notes that there is a hardware issue preventing Raven from
being able to do TMZ+GTT, and the code does the very straightforward
and obvious thing to ensure that on VCN 1.0, any TMZ buffer must be
VRAM-placed.

This one, on the other hand, is much less clear ...

Cheers,
Daniel

  reply	other threads:[~2022-03-23 15:24 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 54+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2022-03-23  6:25 [PATCH v11] drm/amdgpu: add drm buddy support to amdgpu Arunpravin Paneer Selvam
2022-03-23  6:25 ` Arunpravin Paneer Selvam
2022-03-23  6:25 ` [Intel-gfx] " Arunpravin Paneer Selvam
2022-03-23  6:42 ` Paul Menzel
2022-03-23  6:42   ` Paul Menzel
2022-03-23  6:42   ` [Intel-gfx] " Paul Menzel
2022-03-23  7:42   ` Christian König
2022-03-23  7:42     ` Christian König
2022-03-23  7:42     ` [Intel-gfx] " Christian König
2022-03-23  8:10     ` Commit messages (was: [PATCH v11] drm/amdgpu: add drm buddy support to amdgpu) Paul Menzel
2022-03-23  8:10       ` Paul Menzel
2022-03-23  8:10       ` [Intel-gfx] " Paul Menzel
2022-03-23  8:18       ` Christian König
2022-03-23  8:18         ` Christian König
2022-03-23  8:18         ` [Intel-gfx] " Christian König
2022-03-23 14:00         ` Daniel Stone
2022-03-23 14:00           ` [Intel-gfx] " Daniel Stone
2022-03-23 14:42           ` Alex Deucher
2022-03-23 14:42             ` [Intel-gfx] " Alex Deucher
2022-03-23 15:03             ` Daniel Stone
2022-03-23 15:03               ` [Intel-gfx] " Daniel Stone
2022-03-23 15:14               ` Alex Deucher
2022-03-23 15:14                 ` [Intel-gfx] " Alex Deucher
2022-03-23 15:24                 ` Daniel Stone [this message]
2022-03-23 15:24                   ` Daniel Stone
2022-03-23 15:32                   ` Christian König
2022-03-23 15:32                     ` Christian König
2022-03-24 10:30                     ` [Intel-gfx] " Daniel Vetter
2022-03-24 10:30                       ` Daniel Vetter
2022-03-25 15:56                     ` Commit messages Paul Menzel
2022-03-25 15:56                       ` [Intel-gfx] " Paul Menzel
2022-03-23 15:19           ` Commit messages (was: [PATCH v11] drm/amdgpu: add drm buddy support to amdgpu) Christian König
2022-03-23 15:19             ` [Intel-gfx] " Christian König
2022-03-23  7:16 ` [Intel-gfx] ✗ Fi.CI.BUILD: failure for drm/amdgpu: add drm buddy support to amdgpu (rev2) Patchwork
2022-03-23  7:37 ` [PATCH v11] drm/amdgpu: add drm buddy support to amdgpu Christian König
2022-03-23  7:37   ` [Intel-gfx] " Christian König
2022-03-23  7:37   ` Christian König
     [not found]   ` <MN2PR12MB4342B7FD0CC5C480DEEF8A77E41D9@MN2PR12MB4342.namprd12.prod.outlook.com>
2022-03-29 11:19     ` Arunpravin Paneer Selvam
2022-03-29 11:19       ` Arunpravin Paneer Selvam
2022-03-29 11:19       ` [Intel-gfx] " Arunpravin Paneer Selvam
2022-03-29 11:24       ` Christian König
2022-03-29 11:24         ` Christian König
2022-03-29 11:24         ` [Intel-gfx] " Christian König
2022-03-29 16:00         ` Arunpravin Paneer Selvam
2022-03-29 16:00           ` Arunpravin Paneer Selvam
2022-03-29 16:00           ` [Intel-gfx] " Arunpravin Paneer Selvam
2022-03-29 19:18           ` Arunpravin Paneer Selvam
2022-03-29 19:18             ` Arunpravin Paneer Selvam
2022-03-29 19:18             ` [Intel-gfx] " Arunpravin Paneer Selvam
2022-03-30  6:53             ` Christian König
2022-03-30  6:53               ` Christian König
2022-03-30  6:53               ` [Intel-gfx] " Christian König
2022-03-23 11:26 ` kernel test robot
2022-03-23 11:26   ` [Intel-gfx] " kernel test robot

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