self-hosted image vs. build appliance

self-hosted image vs. build appliance

[Barros Pena, Belen]

Does anybody know why are we calling it 'self-hosted-image' in Hob and
'build-appliance' in the Yocto Project website? Wouldn't it be easier if
we used the same name everywhere? Which one should be used?

Thanks!

Belen

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Re: self-hosted image vs. build appliance

[Saul Wold]

On 06/20/2012 09:23 AM, Barros Pena, Belen wrote:
> Does anybody know why are we calling it 'self-hosted-image' in Hob and
> 'build-appliance' in the Yocto Project website? Wouldn't it be easier if
> we used the same name everywhere? Which one should be used?
>
They are slightly different.  The self-hosted-image is the recipe name 
that generates the image.  The build-appliance is the VMware OVF file 
and bits needed to use VMPlayer or VMWorkstation.  The self-hosted-image 
is the underlying disk image used in the Build Appliance

Sau!

> Thanks!
>
> Belen
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Re: self-hosted image vs. build appliance

[Stewart, David C]

>From: yocto-bounces@yoctoproject.org [mailto:yocto-
>bounces@yoctoproject.org] On Behalf Of Barros Pena, Belen
>Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2012 9:24 AM
>
>Does anybody know why are we calling it 'self-hosted-image' in Hob and
>'build-appliance' in the Yocto Project website? Wouldn't it be easier if
>we used the same name everywhere? Which one should be used?

Yes indeed, we should have consistent naming for this feature.

The problem is, neither name is very good.

"build-appliance" = an implication that the thing "just works" like an appliance should just work in your kitchen. Unfortunately, the name isn't very descriptive.
"Self-hosted-image" = a description of how the thing is constructed (it's a Linux OS which was constructed by the Yocto Project itself, and it builds using the Yocto Project).

So neither name is good, but build appliance is usually the one I use.

If anyone has a better name I WOULD LOVE TO HAVE IT. Otherwise please file a bug to change the self-hosted-image name to build appliance.

Dave

Re: self-hosted image vs. build appliance

[Barros Pena, Belen]

Hi Saul,

Thanks for explaining. But I must say: to an outsider, the existing naming
does not explain how these 2 things relate to each other.

We are adding a description of the 'self-hosted-image' to Hob, including a
link to the Build Appliance page in the Yocto Project website. But I am
not sure it will be enough to fully explain the relationship between both.
Is there any reason why the recipe and the ovf file need to have different
names?

Cheers

Belen



On 20/06/2012 17:44, "Saul Wold" <sgw@linux.intel.com> wrote:

>On 06/20/2012 09:23 AM, Barros Pena, Belen wrote:
>> Does anybody know why are we calling it 'self-hosted-image' in Hob and
>> 'build-appliance' in the Yocto Project website? Wouldn't it be easier if
>> we used the same name everywhere? Which one should be used?
>>
>They are slightly different.  The self-hosted-image is the recipe name
>that generates the image.  The build-appliance is the VMware OVF file
>and bits needed to use VMPlayer or VMWorkstation.  The self-hosted-image
>is the underlying disk image used in the Build Appliance
>
>Sau!
>
>> Thanks!
>>
>> Belen
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Re: self-hosted image vs. build appliance

[Barros Pena, Belen]

Thanks, Dave. If no suggestions come in, I'll file the bug.

Belen

On 20/06/2012 23:16, "Stewart, David C" <david.c.stewart@intel.com> wrote:

>
>>From: yocto-bounces@yoctoproject.org [mailto:yocto-
>>bounces@yoctoproject.org] On Behalf Of Barros Pena, Belen
>>Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2012 9:24 AM
>>
>>Does anybody know why are we calling it 'self-hosted-image' in Hob and
>>'build-appliance' in the Yocto Project website? Wouldn't it be easier if
>>we used the same name everywhere? Which one should be used?
>
>Yes indeed, we should have consistent naming for this feature.
>
>The problem is, neither name is very good.
>
>"build-appliance" = an implication that the thing "just works" like an
>appliance should just work in your kitchen. Unfortunately, the name isn't
>very descriptive.
>"Self-hosted-image" = a description of how the thing is constructed (it's
>a Linux OS which was constructed by the Yocto Project itself, and it
>builds using the Yocto Project).
>
>So neither name is good, but build appliance is usually the one I use.
>
>If anyone has a better name I WOULD LOVE TO HAVE IT. Otherwise please
>file a bug to change the self-hosted-image name to build appliance.
>
>Dave

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Re: self-hosted image vs. build appliance

[Saul Wold]

On 06/21/2012 03:30 AM, Barros Pena, Belen wrote:
> Hi Saul,
>
> Thanks for explaining. But I must say: to an outsider, the existing naming
> does not explain how these 2 things relate to each other.
>
> We are adding a description of the 'self-hosted-image' to Hob, including a
> link to the Build Appliance page in the Yocto Project website. But I am
> not sure it will be enough to fully explain the relationship between both.
> Is there any reason why the recipe and the ovf file need to have different
> names?
>
How about build-appliance-image and building a Build Appliance ovf

Sau!


> Cheers
>
> Belen
>
>
>
> On 20/06/2012 17:44, "Saul Wold"<sgw@linux.intel.com>  wrote:
>
>> On 06/20/2012 09:23 AM, Barros Pena, Belen wrote:
>>> Does anybody know why are we calling it 'self-hosted-image' in Hob and
>>> 'build-appliance' in the Yocto Project website? Wouldn't it be easier if
>>> we used the same name everywhere? Which one should be used?
>>>
>> They are slightly different.  The self-hosted-image is the recipe name
>> that generates the image.  The build-appliance is the VMware OVF file
>> and bits needed to use VMPlayer or VMWorkstation.  The self-hosted-image
>> is the underlying disk image used in the Build Appliance
>>
>> Sau!
>>
>>> Thanks!
>>>
>>> Belen
>>>
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Re: self-hosted image vs. build appliance

[Barros Pena, Belen]

Dave Stewart has suggested to use Build Appliance everywhere unless
someone comes up with something better. I think build-appliance-image is
definitely better than self-hosted-image, so I'll ask that to be changed
in Hob as part of bug 2636.

About the description, this is what Scott has suggested:

'An image you can run using the Yocto Project Build Appliance. It boots
from VMware Player or VMware Workstation. For more details, visit the
Yocto Project Website.'

'visit the Yocto Project Website' would be a link to
http://www.yoctoproject.org/documentation/build-appliance


Any thoughts?

Thanks!

Belen

On 21/06/2012 16:22, "Saul Wold" <sgw@linux.intel.com> wrote:

>On 06/21/2012 03:30 AM, Barros Pena, Belen wrote:
>> Hi Saul,
>>
>> Thanks for explaining. But I must say: to an outsider, the existing
>>naming
>> does not explain how these 2 things relate to each other.
>>
>> We are adding a description of the 'self-hosted-image' to Hob,
>>including a
>> link to the Build Appliance page in the Yocto Project website. But I am
>> not sure it will be enough to fully explain the relationship between
>>both.
>> Is there any reason why the recipe and the ovf file need to have
>>different
>> names?
>>
>How about build-appliance-image and building a Build Appliance ovf
>
>Sau!
>
>
>> Cheers
>>
>> Belen
>>
>>
>>
>> On 20/06/2012 17:44, "Saul Wold"<sgw@linux.intel.com>  wrote:
>>
>>> On 06/20/2012 09:23 AM, Barros Pena, Belen wrote:
>>>> Does anybody know why are we calling it 'self-hosted-image' in Hob and
>>>> 'build-appliance' in the Yocto Project website? Wouldn't it be easier
>>>>if
>>>> we used the same name everywhere? Which one should be used?
>>>>
>>> They are slightly different.  The self-hosted-image is the recipe name
>>> that generates the image.  The build-appliance is the VMware OVF file
>>> and bits needed to use VMPlayer or VMWorkstation.  The
>>>self-hosted-image
>>> is the underlying disk image used in the Build Appliance
>>>
>>> Sau!
>>>
>>>> Thanks!
>>>>
>>>> Belen
>>>>
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Re: self-hosted image vs. build appliance

[Rifenbark, Scott M]

The term "self-hosted image" will need to be expunged from the docs.  This should be mentioned in the bug as well.

Scott

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From: yocto-bounces@yoctoproject.org [mailto:yocto-bounces@yoctoproject.org] On Behalf Of Barros Pena, Belen
Sent: Friday, June 22, 2012 1:44 AM
To: Saul Wold
Cc: yocto@yoctoproject.org
Subject: Re: [yocto] self-hosted image vs. build appliance

Dave Stewart has suggested to use Build Appliance everywhere unless
someone comes up with something better. I think build-appliance-image is
definitely better than self-hosted-image, so I'll ask that to be changed
in Hob as part of bug 2636.

About the description, this is what Scott has suggested:

'An image you can run using the Yocto Project Build Appliance. It boots
from VMware Player or VMware Workstation. For more details, visit the
Yocto Project Website.'

'visit the Yocto Project Website' would be a link to
http://www.yoctoproject.org/documentation/build-appliance


Any thoughts?

Thanks!

Belen

On 21/06/2012 16:22, "Saul Wold" <sgw@linux.intel.com> wrote:

>On 06/21/2012 03:30 AM, Barros Pena, Belen wrote:
>> Hi Saul,
>>
>> Thanks for explaining. But I must say: to an outsider, the existing
>>naming
>> does not explain how these 2 things relate to each other.
>>
>> We are adding a description of the 'self-hosted-image' to Hob,
>>including a
>> link to the Build Appliance page in the Yocto Project website. But I am
>> not sure it will be enough to fully explain the relationship between
>>both.
>> Is there any reason why the recipe and the ovf file need to have
>>different
>> names?
>>
>How about build-appliance-image and building a Build Appliance ovf
>
>Sau!
>
>
>> Cheers
>>
>> Belen
>>
>>
>>
>> On 20/06/2012 17:44, "Saul Wold"<sgw@linux.intel.com>  wrote:
>>
>>> On 06/20/2012 09:23 AM, Barros Pena, Belen wrote:
>>>> Does anybody know why are we calling it 'self-hosted-image' in Hob and
>>>> 'build-appliance' in the Yocto Project website? Wouldn't it be easier
>>>>if
>>>> we used the same name everywhere? Which one should be used?
>>>>
>>> They are slightly different.  The self-hosted-image is the recipe name
>>> that generates the image.  The build-appliance is the VMware OVF file
>>> and bits needed to use VMPlayer or VMWorkstation.  The
>>>self-hosted-image
>>> is the underlying disk image used in the Build Appliance
>>>
>>> Sau!
>>>
>>>> Thanks!
>>>>
>>>> Belen
>>>>
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Re: self-hosted image vs. build appliance

[Barros Pena, Belen]

Hi Scott,

I'll file a separate bug for the documentation.

Cheers

Belen

On 22/06/2012 14:44, "Rifenbark, Scott M" <scott.m.rifenbark@intel.com>
wrote:

>The term "self-hosted image" will need to be expunged from the docs.
>This should be mentioned in the bug as well.
>
>Scott
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: yocto-bounces@yoctoproject.org
>[mailto:yocto-bounces@yoctoproject.org] On Behalf Of Barros Pena, Belen
>Sent: Friday, June 22, 2012 1:44 AM
>To: Saul Wold
>Cc: yocto@yoctoproject.org
>Subject: Re: [yocto] self-hosted image vs. build appliance
>
>Dave Stewart has suggested to use Build Appliance everywhere unless
>someone comes up with something better. I think build-appliance-image is
>definitely better than self-hosted-image, so I'll ask that to be changed
>in Hob as part of bug 2636.
>
>About the description, this is what Scott has suggested:
>
>'An image you can run using the Yocto Project Build Appliance. It boots
>from VMware Player or VMware Workstation. For more details, visit the
>Yocto Project Website.'
>
>'visit the Yocto Project Website' would be a link to
>http://www.yoctoproject.org/documentation/build-appliance
>
>
>Any thoughts?
>
>Thanks!
>
>Belen
>
>On 21/06/2012 16:22, "Saul Wold" <sgw@linux.intel.com> wrote:
>
>>On 06/21/2012 03:30 AM, Barros Pena, Belen wrote:
>>> Hi Saul,
>>>
>>> Thanks for explaining. But I must say: to an outsider, the existing
>>>naming
>>> does not explain how these 2 things relate to each other.
>>>
>>> We are adding a description of the 'self-hosted-image' to Hob,
>>>including a
>>> link to the Build Appliance page in the Yocto Project website. But I am
>>> not sure it will be enough to fully explain the relationship between
>>>both.
>>> Is there any reason why the recipe and the ovf file need to have
>>>different
>>> names?
>>>
>>How about build-appliance-image and building a Build Appliance ovf
>>
>>Sau!
>>
>>
>>> Cheers
>>>
>>> Belen
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 20/06/2012 17:44, "Saul Wold"<sgw@linux.intel.com>  wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 06/20/2012 09:23 AM, Barros Pena, Belen wrote:
>>>>> Does anybody know why are we calling it 'self-hosted-image' in Hob
>>>>>and
>>>>> 'build-appliance' in the Yocto Project website? Wouldn't it be easier
>>>>>if
>>>>> we used the same name everywhere? Which one should be used?
>>>>>
>>>> They are slightly different.  The self-hosted-image is the recipe name
>>>> that generates the image.  The build-appliance is the VMware OVF file
>>>> and bits needed to use VMPlayer or VMWorkstation.  The
>>>>self-hosted-image
>>>> is the underlying disk image used in the Build Appliance
>>>>
>>>> Sau!
>>>>
>>>>> Thanks!
>>>>>
>>>>> Belen
>>>>>
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Re: self-hosted image vs. build appliance

[Barros Pena, Belen]

Just filed that bug for the documentation: 2656

https://bugzilla.yoctoproject.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2656


Cheers

Belen

On 25/06/2012 10:38, "Barros Pena, Belen" <belen.barros.pena@intel.com>
wrote:

>Hi Scott,
>
>I'll file a separate bug for the documentation.
>
>Cheers
>
>Belen
>
>On 22/06/2012 14:44, "Rifenbark, Scott M" <scott.m.rifenbark@intel.com>
>wrote:
>
>>The term "self-hosted image" will need to be expunged from the docs.
>>This should be mentioned in the bug as well.
>>
>>Scott
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: yocto-bounces@yoctoproject.org
>>[mailto:yocto-bounces@yoctoproject.org] On Behalf Of Barros Pena, Belen
>>Sent: Friday, June 22, 2012 1:44 AM
>>To: Saul Wold
>>Cc: yocto@yoctoproject.org
>>Subject: Re: [yocto] self-hosted image vs. build appliance
>>
>>Dave Stewart has suggested to use Build Appliance everywhere unless
>>someone comes up with something better. I think build-appliance-image is
>>definitely better than self-hosted-image, so I'll ask that to be changed
>>in Hob as part of bug 2636.
>>
>>About the description, this is what Scott has suggested:
>>
>>'An image you can run using the Yocto Project Build Appliance. It boots
>>from VMware Player or VMware Workstation. For more details, visit the
>>Yocto Project Website.'
>>
>>'visit the Yocto Project Website' would be a link to
>>http://www.yoctoproject.org/documentation/build-appliance
>>
>>
>>Any thoughts?
>>
>>Thanks!
>>
>>Belen
>>
>>On 21/06/2012 16:22, "Saul Wold" <sgw@linux.intel.com> wrote:
>>
>>>On 06/21/2012 03:30 AM, Barros Pena, Belen wrote:
>>>> Hi Saul,
>>>>
>>>> Thanks for explaining. But I must say: to an outsider, the existing
>>>>naming
>>>> does not explain how these 2 things relate to each other.
>>>>
>>>> We are adding a description of the 'self-hosted-image' to Hob,
>>>>including a
>>>> link to the Build Appliance page in the Yocto Project website. But I
>>>>am
>>>> not sure it will be enough to fully explain the relationship between
>>>>both.
>>>> Is there any reason why the recipe and the ovf file need to have
>>>>different
>>>> names?
>>>>
>>>How about build-appliance-image and building a Build Appliance ovf
>>>
>>>Sau!
>>>
>>>
>>>> Cheers
>>>>
>>>> Belen
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 20/06/2012 17:44, "Saul Wold"<sgw@linux.intel.com>  wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 06/20/2012 09:23 AM, Barros Pena, Belen wrote:
>>>>>> Does anybody know why are we calling it 'self-hosted-image' in Hob
>>>>>>and
>>>>>> 'build-appliance' in the Yocto Project website? Wouldn't it be
>>>>>>easier
>>>>>>if
>>>>>> we used the same name everywhere? Which one should be used?
>>>>>>
>>>>> They are slightly different.  The self-hosted-image is the recipe
>>>>>name
>>>>> that generates the image.  The build-appliance is the VMware OVF file
>>>>> and bits needed to use VMPlayer or VMWorkstation.  The
>>>>>self-hosted-image
>>>>> is the underlying disk image used in the Build Appliance
>>>>>
>>>>> Sau!
>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Belen
>>>>>>
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