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From: "Nicholas Piggin" <npiggin@gmail.com>
To: "Laurent Dufour" <ldufour@linux.ibm.com>,
	<linuxppc-dev@lists.ozlabs.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 16/17] powerpc/qspinlock: allow indefinite spinning on a preempted owner
Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2022 18:16:24 +1000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CN3MRFI9GCO8.2JI4W3155ZPJ3@bobo> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <5b1ed668-15f2-414d-b491-b1677a6b5537@linux.ibm.com>

On Fri Sep 23, 2022 at 1:02 AM AEST, Laurent Dufour wrote:
> On 28/07/2022 08:31:19, Nicholas Piggin wrote:
> > Provide an option that holds off queueing indefinitely while the lock
> > owner is preempted. This could reduce queueing latencies for very
> > overcommitted vcpu situations.
> > 
> > This is disabled by default.
>
> Hi Nick,
>
> I should have missed something here.
>
> If this option is turned on, CPU trying to lock when there is a preempted
> owner will spin checking the lock->val and yielding the lock owner CPU.
> Am I right?

Yes.

> If yes, why not being queued and spin checking its own value, yielding
> against the lock owner CPU?

I guess the idea is that when we start getting vCPU preemption, queueing
behaviour causes this "train wreck" behaviour where lock waiters being
preempted can halt lock transfers to other waiters (whereas with simple
spinlocks only owner vCPU preemption matters). So the heuristics for
paravirt qspinlock basically come down to avoiding queueing and making
waiters behave more like a simple spinlock when it matters. That's the
case for upstream and this rewrite.

> This will generate less cache bouncing, which
> is what the queued spinlock is trying to address, isn't it?

It could. When the owner is preempted it's not going to be modifying
the lock word and probably not surrounding data in the same cache
line, and there won't be a lot of other try-lock operations come in
(because they'll mostly queue up here as well). So cacheline bouncing
shouldn't be the worst problem we face here. But it possibly is a
concern.

I didn't yet meausre any real improvement from this option, and it
possibly has some starvation potential, so it's disabled by default for
now.

Thanks,
Nick

  reply	other threads:[~2022-09-23  8:17 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 78+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2022-07-28  6:31 [PATCH 00/17] powerpc: alternate queued spinlock implementation Nicholas Piggin
2022-07-28  6:31 ` [PATCH 01/17] powerpc/qspinlock: powerpc qspinlock implementation Nicholas Piggin
2022-08-10  1:52   ` Jordan NIethe
2022-08-10  6:48     ` Christophe Leroy
2022-11-10  0:35   ` Jordan Niethe
2022-11-10  6:37     ` Christophe Leroy
2022-11-10 11:44       ` Nicholas Piggin
2022-11-10  9:09     ` Nicholas Piggin
2022-07-28  6:31 ` [PATCH 1a/17] powerpc/qspinlock: Prepare qspinlock code Nicholas Piggin
2022-07-28  6:31 ` [PATCH 02/17] powerpc/qspinlock: add mcs queueing for contended waiters Nicholas Piggin
2022-08-10  2:28   ` Jordan NIethe
2022-11-10  0:36   ` Jordan Niethe
2022-11-10  9:21     ` Nicholas Piggin
2022-07-28  6:31 ` [PATCH 03/17] powerpc/qspinlock: use a half-word store to unlock to avoid larx/stcx Nicholas Piggin
2022-08-10  3:28   ` Jordan Niethe
2022-11-10  0:39   ` Jordan Niethe
2022-11-10  9:25     ` Nicholas Piggin
2022-07-28  6:31 ` [PATCH 04/17] powerpc/qspinlock: convert atomic operations to assembly Nicholas Piggin
2022-08-10  3:54   ` Jordan Niethe
2022-11-10  0:39   ` Jordan Niethe
2022-11-10  8:36     ` Christophe Leroy
2022-11-10 11:48       ` Nicholas Piggin
2022-11-10  9:40     ` Nicholas Piggin
2022-07-28  6:31 ` [PATCH 05/17] powerpc/qspinlock: allow new waiters to steal the lock before queueing Nicholas Piggin
2022-08-10  4:31   ` Jordan Niethe
2022-11-10  0:40   ` Jordan Niethe
2022-11-10 10:54     ` Nicholas Piggin
2022-07-28  6:31 ` [PATCH 06/17] powerpc/qspinlock: theft prevention to control latency Nicholas Piggin
2022-08-10  5:51   ` Jordan Niethe
2022-11-10  0:40   ` Jordan Niethe
2022-11-10 10:57     ` Nicholas Piggin
2022-07-28  6:31 ` [PATCH 07/17] powerpc/qspinlock: store owner CPU in lock word Nicholas Piggin
2022-08-12  0:50   ` Jordan Niethe
2022-11-10  0:40   ` Jordan Niethe
2022-11-10 10:59     ` Nicholas Piggin
2022-07-28  6:31 ` [PATCH 08/17] powerpc/qspinlock: paravirt yield to lock owner Nicholas Piggin
2022-08-12  2:01   ` Jordan Niethe
2022-11-10  0:41   ` Jordan Niethe
2022-11-10 11:13     ` Nicholas Piggin
2022-07-28  6:31 ` [PATCH 09/17] powerpc/qspinlock: implement option to yield to previous node Nicholas Piggin
2022-08-12  2:07   ` Jordan Niethe
2022-11-10  0:41   ` Jordan Niethe
2022-11-10 11:14     ` Nicholas Piggin
2022-07-28  6:31 ` [PATCH 10/17] powerpc/qspinlock: allow stealing when head of queue yields Nicholas Piggin
2022-08-12  4:06   ` Jordan Niethe
2022-11-10  0:42   ` Jordan Niethe
2022-11-10 11:22     ` Nicholas Piggin
2022-07-28  6:31 ` [PATCH 11/17] powerpc/qspinlock: allow propagation of yield CPU down the queue Nicholas Piggin
2022-08-12  4:17   ` Jordan Niethe
2022-10-06 17:27   ` Laurent Dufour
2022-11-10  0:42   ` Jordan Niethe
2022-11-10 11:25     ` Nicholas Piggin
2022-07-28  6:31 ` [PATCH 12/17] powerpc/qspinlock: add ability to prod new queue head CPU Nicholas Piggin
2022-08-12  4:22   ` Jordan Niethe
2022-11-10  0:42   ` Jordan Niethe
2022-11-10 11:32     ` Nicholas Piggin
2022-07-28  6:31 ` [PATCH 13/17] powerpc/qspinlock: trylock and initial lock attempt may steal Nicholas Piggin
2022-08-12  4:32   ` Jordan Niethe
2022-11-10  0:43   ` Jordan Niethe
2022-11-10 11:35     ` Nicholas Piggin
2022-07-28  6:31 ` [PATCH 14/17] powerpc/qspinlock: use spin_begin/end API Nicholas Piggin
2022-08-12  4:36   ` Jordan Niethe
2022-11-10  0:43   ` Jordan Niethe
2022-11-10 11:36     ` Nicholas Piggin
2022-07-28  6:31 ` [PATCH 15/17] powerpc/qspinlock: reduce remote node steal spins Nicholas Piggin
2022-08-12  4:43   ` Jordan Niethe
2022-11-10  0:43   ` Jordan Niethe
2022-11-10 11:37     ` Nicholas Piggin
2022-07-28  6:31 ` [PATCH 16/17] powerpc/qspinlock: allow indefinite spinning on a preempted owner Nicholas Piggin
2022-08-12  4:49   ` Jordan Niethe
2022-09-22 15:02   ` Laurent Dufour
2022-09-23  8:16     ` Nicholas Piggin [this message]
2022-11-10  0:44   ` Jordan Niethe
2022-11-10 11:38     ` Nicholas Piggin
2022-07-28  6:31 ` [PATCH 17/17] powerpc/qspinlock: provide accounting and options for sleepy locks Nicholas Piggin
2022-08-15  1:11   ` Jordan Niethe
2022-11-10  0:44   ` Jordan Niethe
2022-11-10 11:41     ` Nicholas Piggin

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