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From: Miklos Szeredi <miklos@szeredi.hu>
To: Valerie Aurora <vaurora@redhat.com>
Cc: miklos@szeredi.hu, viro@zeniv.linux.org.uk, jblunck@suse.de,
	hch@infradead.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH 19/38] union-mount: Introduce union_dir structure and basic operations
Date: Thu, 05 Aug 2010 12:28:18 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <E1OgxgQ-0002vU-BK@pomaz-ex.szeredi.hu> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20100804194749.GA2134@shell> (message from Valerie Aurora on Wed, 4 Aug 2010 15:47:50 -0400)

On Wed, 4 Aug 2010, Valerie Aurora wrote:
> > Why was the hash table concept dropped?  The header comment still
> > talks about that?
> 
> Simply, Al Viro didn't like it.  But note that the current
> implementation still uses part of the hash table solution.  You still
> have union_dir structures external to dentries for the read-only
> layers of the stack.  The change is from Al's observation that the
> topmost dentry could only be part of one stack.  Why do a lookup on
> the topmost dentry when you could keep an pointer to the stack in the
> dentry itself and skip the lookup?  Once you have the head of the
> stack, you don't need lookup for the rest of it.  This eliminates all
> the lookup machinery and the union hash table lock, which seems like a
> big win to me.

That dentry field will be unused most of the time and we lose space
for d_iname for *all* filesystems.  On 64bit this results in max
inline name going from 32 down to 24 bytes.  On my root fs 7% of names
are 24-31 in length.  That's more than triple that of names which are
more than 32 in length.

Yeah, union mounts can be configured out, but that's not much
consolation for distros which want to enable this feature.

> The biggest drawback of the hash table in my mind was that it
> introduced a new global synchronization point in lookup.  Making it go
> fast would be dcache lookup optimization all over again.

I already asked this, but I'll ask again, what about doing this with a
union filesystem?  That solves this problem in one simple go, as well
as a host of others.

I'll do some experimenting because I feel it should be possible to do
all this in a union fs with most of the advantages of union mounts.
That doesn't mean it won't need any VFS support, but I think the
amount of VFS burden can be considerably reduced with that approach at
a small price (just dentry tree duplication).

Miklos

  reply	other threads:[~2010-08-05 10:28 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 112+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2010-06-15 18:39 [PATCH 00/38] Union mounts - union stack as linked list Valerie Aurora
2010-06-15 18:39 ` [PATCH 01/38] VFS: Comment follow_mount() and friends Valerie Aurora
2010-06-15 18:39 ` [PATCH 02/38] VFS: Make lookup_hash() return a struct path Valerie Aurora
2010-06-15 18:39 ` [PATCH 03/38] VFS: Add read-only users count to superblock Valerie Aurora
2010-06-15 18:39 ` [PATCH 04/38] autofs4: Save autofs trigger's vfsmount in super block info Valerie Aurora
2010-06-16  4:04   ` [autofs] " Ian Kent
2010-06-16 23:14     ` Valerie Aurora
2010-06-17  2:04       ` Ian Kent
2010-06-21  3:39     ` Ian Kent
2010-06-21 13:06       ` Miklos Szeredi
2010-06-21 13:24         ` Ian Kent
2010-06-22  4:46         ` Ian Kent
2010-06-22  5:49           ` J. R. Okajima
2010-06-22 13:11             ` Ian Kent
2010-06-23  1:23             ` Ian Kent
2010-06-23  2:07               ` J. R. Okajima
2010-06-23  2:37                 ` Ian Kent
2010-06-24  1:35                 ` Ian Kent
2010-06-24  5:16       ` Ian Kent
2010-06-15 18:39 ` [PATCH 05/38] whiteout/NFSD: Don't return information about whiteouts to userspace Valerie Aurora
2010-06-15 18:39   ` Valerie Aurora
2010-06-15 18:39 ` [PATCH 06/38] whiteout: Add vfs_whiteout() and whiteout inode operation Valerie Aurora
2010-07-13  3:52   ` Ian Kent
2010-07-16 19:50     ` Valerie Aurora
2010-06-15 18:39 ` [PATCH 07/38] whiteout: Set S_OPAQUE inode flag when creating directories Valerie Aurora
2010-07-13  4:05   ` Ian Kent
2010-07-16 20:12     ` Valerie Aurora
2010-07-17  4:14       ` Ian Kent
2010-06-15 18:39 ` [PATCH 08/38] whiteout: Allow removal of a directory with whiteouts Valerie Aurora
2010-06-15 18:39 ` [PATCH 09/38] whiteout: tmpfs whiteout support Valerie Aurora
2010-06-15 18:39   ` Valerie Aurora
2010-06-15 18:39 ` [PATCH 10/38] whiteout: Split of ext2_append_link() from ext2_add_link() Valerie Aurora
2010-06-15 18:39 ` [PATCH 11/38] whiteout: ext2 whiteout support Valerie Aurora
2010-07-13  4:24   ` Ian Kent
2010-07-19 22:14     ` Valerie Aurora
2010-06-15 18:39 ` [PATCH 12/38] whiteout: jffs2 " Valerie Aurora
2010-06-15 18:39   ` Valerie Aurora
2010-06-15 18:39   ` Valerie Aurora
2010-06-15 18:39 ` [PATCH 13/38] fallthru: Basic fallthru definitions Valerie Aurora
2010-06-15 18:39 ` [PATCH 14/38] fallthru: ext2 fallthru support Valerie Aurora
2010-07-13  4:30   ` Ian Kent
2010-08-04 14:44   ` Miklos Szeredi
2010-08-04 22:48     ` Valerie Aurora
2010-08-05 10:36       ` Miklos Szeredi
2010-08-05 23:30         ` Valerie Aurora
2010-08-06  8:15           ` Miklos Szeredi
2010-08-06 17:16             ` Valerie Aurora
2010-08-06 17:44               ` Miklos Szeredi
2010-08-04 23:04     ` Valerie Aurora
2010-08-05 11:13       ` Miklos Szeredi
2010-08-06 17:12         ` Valerie Aurora
2010-08-17 22:27         ` Valerie Aurora
2010-08-18  8:26           ` Miklos Szeredi
2010-06-15 18:39 ` [PATCH 15/38] fallthru: jffs2 " Valerie Aurora
2010-06-15 18:39   ` Valerie Aurora
2010-06-15 18:39   ` Valerie Aurora
2010-06-15 18:39 ` [PATCH 16/38] fallthru: tmpfs " Valerie Aurora
2010-06-15 18:39 ` [PATCH 17/38] union-mount: Union mounts documentation Valerie Aurora
2010-06-17  8:01   ` Alex Riesen
2010-06-17 18:39     ` Valerie Aurora
2010-06-17 20:32       ` Alex Riesen
2010-06-18 21:06         ` Valerie Aurora
2010-06-21 13:14       ` Miklos Szeredi
2010-06-21 23:17         ` Valerie Aurora
2010-06-23  8:43         ` Alex Riesen
2010-06-23  8:43           ` Alex Riesen
2010-06-15 18:39 ` [PATCH 18/38] union-mount: Introduce MNT_UNION and MS_UNION flags Valerie Aurora
2010-06-15 18:39 ` [PATCH 19/38] union-mount: Introduce union_dir structure and basic operations Valerie Aurora
2010-07-13  4:39   ` Ian Kent
2010-07-16 20:51     ` Valerie Aurora
2010-08-04 14:51   ` Miklos Szeredi
2010-08-04 19:47     ` Valerie Aurora
2010-08-05 10:28       ` Miklos Szeredi [this message]
2010-08-06 17:09         ` Valerie Aurora
2010-06-15 18:39 ` [PATCH 20/38] union-mount: Free union dirs on removal from dcache Valerie Aurora
2010-06-15 18:39 ` [PATCH 21/38] union-mount: Support for mounting union mount file systems Valerie Aurora
2010-07-13  4:47   ` Ian Kent
2010-07-16 21:02     ` Valerie Aurora
2010-07-20  3:12       ` Ian Kent
2010-08-04 21:59         ` Valerie Aurora
2010-08-05 10:34           ` Miklos Szeredi
2010-08-06 16:33             ` Valerie Aurora
2010-07-16 21:05     ` Valerie Aurora
2010-08-04 14:55   ` Miklos Szeredi
2010-08-04 19:50     ` Valerie Aurora
2010-08-05  4:26       ` Valerie Aurora
2010-06-15 18:39 ` [PATCH 22/38] union-mount: Implement union lookup Valerie Aurora
2010-07-13  4:49   ` Ian Kent
2010-07-19 21:58     ` Valerie Aurora
2010-06-15 18:39 ` [PATCH 23/38] union-mount: Call do_whiteout() on unlink and rmdir in unions Valerie Aurora
2010-06-15 18:39 ` [PATCH 24/38] union-mount: Copy up directory entries on first readdir() Valerie Aurora
2010-07-13  4:51   ` Ian Kent
2010-06-15 18:39 ` [PATCH 25/38] VFS: Split inode_permission() and create path_permission() Valerie Aurora
2010-06-15 18:39 ` [PATCH 26/38] VFS: Create user_path_nd() to lookup both parent and target Valerie Aurora
2010-06-15 18:39 ` [PATCH 27/38] union-mount: In-kernel file copyup routines Valerie Aurora
2010-07-13  4:56   ` Ian Kent
2010-07-19 22:41     ` Valerie Aurora
2010-08-04 15:26   ` Miklos Szeredi
2010-08-05 19:54     ` Valerie Aurora
2010-06-15 18:39 ` [PATCH 28/38] union-mount: Implement union-aware access()/faccessat() Valerie Aurora
2010-06-15 18:39 ` [PATCH 29/38] union-mount: Implement union-aware link() Valerie Aurora
2010-06-15 18:40 ` [PATCH 30/38] union-mount: Implement union-aware rename() Valerie Aurora
2010-06-15 18:40 ` [PATCH 31/38] union-mount: Implement union-aware writable open() Valerie Aurora
2010-06-15 18:40 ` [PATCH 32/38] union-mount: Implement union-aware chown() Valerie Aurora
2010-06-15 18:40 ` [PATCH 33/38] union-mount: Implement union-aware truncate() Valerie Aurora
2010-06-15 18:40 ` [PATCH 34/38] union-mount: Implement union-aware chmod()/fchmodat() Valerie Aurora
2010-06-15 18:40 ` [PATCH 35/38] union-mount: Implement union-aware lchown() Valerie Aurora
2010-06-15 18:40 ` [PATCH 36/38] union-mount: Implement union-aware utimensat() Valerie Aurora
2010-06-15 18:40 ` [PATCH 37/38] union-mount: Implement union-aware setxattr() Valerie Aurora
2010-06-15 18:40 ` [PATCH 38/38] union-mount: Implement union-aware lsetxattr() Valerie Aurora
2010-06-25 19:04 [PATCH 00/38] Union mounts - multiple layers and submounts Valerie Aurora
2010-06-25 19:05 ` [PATCH 19/38] union-mount: Introduce union_dir structure and basic operations Valerie Aurora
2010-08-06 22:34 [PATCH 00/38] VFS union mounts - Add MS_FALLTHRU Valerie Aurora
2010-08-06 22:35 ` [PATCH 19/38] union-mount: Introduce union_dir structure and basic operations Valerie Aurora

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