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From: "Philip Oakley" <philipoakley@iee.org>
To: "Junio C Hamano" <gitster@pobox.com>
Cc: "Ann T Ropea" <bedhanger@gmx.de>,
	"Git Mailing List" <git@vger.kernel.org>,
	"Daniel Barkalow" <barkalow@iabervon.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 1/3] checkout: describe_detached_head: remove 3dots after committish
Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2017 23:15:06 -0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <EA775C6AB4684B7A86A88C733C132827@PhilipOakley> (raw)
In-Reply-To: xmqqfu9pmsx3.fsf@gitster.mtv.corp.google.com

From: "Junio C Hamano" <gitster@pobox.com>
Sent: Wednesday, November 08, 2017 1:59 AM


> "Philip Oakley" <philipoakley@iee.org> writes:
>
>> But...
>>> ...
>>> This change causes quite a few tests to fall over; however, they
>>> all have truncated-something-longer-ellipses in their
>>> raw-diff-output expected sections, and removing the ellipses
>>> from there makes the tests pass again, :-)
>>
>> The number of failures you report in the test suit suggests that
>> someone somewhere will be expecting that notation, and that we may
>> need a deprecation period, perhaps with an 'ellipsis' config variable
>> whose default value can later be flipped, though that leaves a config
>> value needing support forever!
>
> Hmmm, never thought about that.
>
> I have been assuming that tools reading "--raw" output that is
> abbreviated would be crazy, because they have to strip the dots and
> the number of dots may not always be three [*1*].
>
> But you are right.  It would be very unlikely that there is no such
> crazy tools, so it deserves consideration if we would be breaking
> such tools.
>
> On the other hand, if such a crazy tool was still written correctly
> (it is debatable what the definition of "correct" is, though), it
> would be stripping any number dots at the end, not just insisting on
> seeing exactly three dots, and splitting these fields at SP.
> Otherwise they would already be broken as they cannot handle
> occasional object names that have less than three dots because they
> happen to be longer than the more common abbreviation length used by
> other objects.  So in practice it might not be _too_ bad.
>
Thinking on this, I'd suggest that the patch series does remove the ellipsis 
dots immediately, but retains a config option that can be set to get back 
the old 'dots' display for those who have badly written scripts that maybe 
haven't failed yet. i.e. no deprecation period, just a fall back option; and 
if nobody shouts then remove the config option after a respectable period.

It would also mean the existing tests can be re-used...

>
> [Footnote]
>
> *1* When we ask for --abbrev=7, we allocate 10 places and fill the
> rest with necessary number of dots after the result of
> find_unique_abbrev(), so if an object name turns out to require 8
> hexdigits to make it unique, we'll append only two dots to it to
> make it 10 so that it aligns nicely with others) and they would
> always be reading the full, non abbreviated output.  The story does
> not change that much when we do not explicitly ask for a specific
> abbreviation length in that we add variable number of dots for
> aligning in that case, too.

The --abbrev=7 does cater for many smaller repo's, so there is a possiblity 
that the bad script issue hasn't been hit yet by those repos.
--

Philip 


  reply	other threads:[~2017-11-09 23:15 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 58+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2017-11-05 16:27 [PATCH 1/3] checkout: describe_detached_head: remove 3dots after committish Ann T Ropea
2017-11-05 16:27 ` [PATCH 2/3] Documentation: user-manual: limit potentially confusing usage of 3dots (and 2dots) Ann T Ropea
2017-11-05 16:27 ` [PATCH 3/3] Documentation: revisions: add note about 3dots usages as continuation indications Ann T Ropea
2017-11-06  4:34   ` Junio C Hamano
2017-11-06  2:45 ` [PATCH 1/3] checkout: describe_detached_head: remove 3dots after committish Junio C Hamano
2017-11-07  0:30   ` Philip Oakley
2017-11-07  0:52 ` Junio C Hamano
2017-11-07  2:53 ` Ann T Ropea
2017-11-07 23:25   ` Philip Oakley
2017-11-08  1:59     ` Junio C Hamano
2017-11-09 23:15       ` Philip Oakley [this message]
2017-11-13 22:36         ` [PATCH v2 1/6] config: introduce core.printsha1ellipsis Ann T Ropea
2017-11-13 22:36         ` [PATCH v2 2/6] checkout: describe_detached_head: remove ellipsis after committish Ann T Ropea
2017-11-13 22:36         ` [PATCH v2 3/6] diff: diff_aligned_abbrev: remove ellipsis after abbreviated SHA-1 value Ann T Ropea
2017-11-14  3:08           ` Junio C Hamano
2017-11-19 17:38             ` Ann T Ropea
2017-11-20  1:48               ` Junio C Hamano
2017-11-19 18:41             ` [PATCH v3 1/5] checkout: describe_detached_head: remove ellipsis after committish Ann T Ropea
2017-11-20  3:35               ` Junio C Hamano
2017-11-19 18:41             ` [PATCH v3 2/5] diff: diff_aligned_abbrev: remove ellipsis after abbreviated SHA-1 value Ann T Ropea
2017-11-19 19:11               ` Eric Sunshine
2017-11-19 18:41             ` [PATCH v3 3/5] Documentation: user-manual: limit usage of ellipsis Ann T Ropea
2017-11-19 19:15               ` Eric Sunshine
2017-11-24 23:53                 ` [PATCH v4 1/6] diff: diff_aligned_abbrev: remove ellipsis after abbreviated SHA-1 value Ann T Ropea
2017-11-25  5:01                   ` Junio C Hamano
2017-11-26  3:17                     ` Junio C Hamano
2017-11-26  3:19                       ` Junio C Hamano
2017-11-26  3:25                       ` Junio C Hamano
2017-12-03 21:27                       ` [PATCH v5 1/7] Documentation: revisions: fix typo: "three dot" ---> "three-dot" (in line with "two-dot") Ann T Ropea
2017-12-04 16:52                         ` Junio C Hamano
2017-12-03 21:27                       ` [PATCH v5 2/7] Documentation: user-manual: limit usage of ellipsis Ann T Ropea
2017-12-03 21:27                       ` [PATCH v5 3/7] print_sha1_ellipsis: introduce helper Ann T Ropea
2017-12-03 21:27                       ` [PATCH v5 4/7] checkout: describe_detached_head: remove ellipsis after committish Ann T Ropea
2017-12-04 16:46                         ` Junio C Hamano
2017-12-04 23:13                           ` [PATCH v6 " Ann T Ropea
2017-12-05 16:03                             ` Junio C Hamano
2017-12-06  0:20                               ` [PATCH v7 " Ann T Ropea
2017-12-06 16:47                                 ` Junio C Hamano
2017-12-06 22:02                                   ` Ann T Ropea
2017-12-03 21:27                       ` [PATCH v5 5/7] t4013: prepare for upcoming "diff --raw --abbrev" output format change Ann T Ropea
2017-12-03 21:27                       ` [PATCH v5 6/7] diff: diff_aligned_abbrev: remove ellipsis after abbreviated SHA-1 value Ann T Ropea
2017-12-03 21:27                       ` [PATCH v5 7/7] t4013: test new output from diff --abbrev --raw Ann T Ropea
2017-11-24 23:53                 ` [PATCH v4 2/6] checkout: describe_detached_head: remove ellipsis after committish Ann T Ropea
2017-11-24 23:53                 ` [PATCH v4 3/6] Documentation: user-manual: limit usage of ellipsis Ann T Ropea
2017-11-24 23:53                 ` [PATCH v4 4/6] Documentation: revisions: fix typo: "three dot" ---> "three-dot" (in line with "two-dot") Ann T Ropea
2017-11-24 23:53                 ` [PATCH v4 5/6] Documentation: git: document GIT_PRINT_SHA1_ELLIPSIS Ann T Ropea
2017-11-24 23:53                 ` [PATCH v4 6/6] Testing: provide existing tests requiring them with ellipses after SHA-1 values Ann T Ropea
2017-11-19 18:41             ` [PATCH v3 4/5] Documentation: revisions: fix typo: "three dot" ---> "three-dot" (in line with "two-dot") Ann T Ropea
2017-11-19 18:41             ` [PATCH v3 5/5] Testing: provide tests requiring them with ellipses after SHA-1 values Ann T Ropea
2017-11-20  4:06               ` Junio C Hamano
2017-11-20 12:25                 ` Philip Oakley
2017-11-22  5:53                   ` Junio C Hamano
2017-11-22 23:41                     ` Philip Oakley
2017-11-24  0:40                       ` Junio C Hamano
2017-11-13 22:36         ` [PATCH v2 4/6] Documentation: user-manual: limit usage of ellipsis Ann T Ropea
2017-11-13 22:36         ` [PATCH v2 5/6] Documentation: revisions: fix typo: "three dot" ---> "three-dot" (in line with "two-dot") Ann T Ropea
2017-11-13 22:36         ` [PATCH v2 6/6] Testing: provide tests requiring them with ellipses after SHA-1 values Ann T Ropea
2017-11-14  3:20           ` Junio C Hamano

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