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From: Joe Nall <joe@nall.com>
To: Joshua Brindle <jbrindle@tresys.com>
Cc: "Mikel L. Matthews" <mikel@argus-systems.com>,
	"Christopher J. PeBenito" <cpebenito@tresys.com>,
	Daniel J Walsh <dwalsh@redhat.com>,
	SE Linux <selinux@tycho.nsa.gov>
Subject: Re: Latest diffs
Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2006 10:40:53 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <F50BFB1B-5CE6-459C-B0F7-5A9496C483DC@nall.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1158850172.11048.2.camel@twoface.columbia.tresys.com>


On Sep 21, 2006, at 9:49 AM, Joshua Brindle wrote:

> On Thu, 2006-09-21 at 09:08 -0500, Mikel L. Matthews wrote:
>>
>> We have customers that use all of our 1024 categories and want more.
>> They have requested 10,000 categories.

Wow, and I though I was out on the fringes :) Admin must be ugly.

> That is because they are probably using categories as an integrity
> mechanism which is entirely inappropriate for SELinux since TE  
> should be
> used for integrity and mls should only be used for confidentiality. I
> seriously doubt that a reasonable system could have 10000 useful
> categories.

I can't comment on 10K, but 256 is not enough. Imagine a system that
exchanges data with countries, alliances and has dissemination controls
and compartments local to the country the system is in. There are ~243
countries in ISO 3166, there are between 10 and 20 alliances you might
want to exchange data with, there are another dozen common dissemination
controls (eg NOFORN) and there are quite a few compartments. You can get
over 300 bits pretty easily just using bits for confidentiality.

I'm happy with 1024 because it means we will not have to maintain
policy diffs (for this) and explain them to our accreditors.

joe

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ISO_3166-1_alpha-3
http://www.afei.org/news/ddms.pdf (Table C4.T1)
http://metadata.dod.mil/mdr/irs/DDMS/

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  parent reply	other threads:[~2006-09-21 15:41 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 143+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2006-09-20 16:12 Latest diffs Daniel J Walsh
2006-09-21 13:45 ` Christopher J. PeBenito
2006-09-21 14:06   ` Daniel J Walsh
2006-09-21 14:34     ` Christopher J. PeBenito
2006-09-21 16:33       ` Karl MacMillan
2006-09-21 18:05         ` Christopher J. PeBenito
2006-09-21 14:08   ` Mikel L. Matthews
2006-09-21 14:49     ` Joshua Brindle
2006-09-21 15:10       ` Mikel L. Matthews
2006-09-21 15:18       ` Stephen Smalley
2006-09-21 15:40       ` Joe Nall [this message]
2006-09-21 15:47       ` Klaus Weidner
2006-09-21 16:08       ` Casey Schaufler
2006-09-22 17:13 ` Christopher J. PeBenito
2006-09-22 20:30   ` Daniel J Walsh
2006-09-25 18:51     ` Christopher J. PeBenito
2006-09-25 19:10       ` Daniel J Walsh
2006-09-26 10:41       ` Russell Coker
2006-09-26 13:13         ` Christopher J. PeBenito
2006-09-26 13:21           ` Russell Coker
2006-09-26 14:01             ` Christopher J. PeBenito
2006-09-23  2:22   ` Russell Coker
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2007-01-03 16:54 Daniel J Walsh
2007-01-03 21:37 ` Klaus Weidner
2007-01-03 21:48 ` Klaus Weidner
2007-01-08 17:48   ` Christopher J. PeBenito
2007-01-09  4:47     ` Klaus Weidner
2007-01-03 22:05 ` Russell Coker
2007-01-04 13:33   ` Steve G
2007-01-04 15:47     ` Klaus Weidner
2007-01-04 16:23     ` Russell Coker
2007-01-04 16:47   ` Casey Schaufler
2007-01-04 17:07     ` Russell Coker
2007-01-04 17:24       ` Casey Schaufler
2007-01-04 18:27       ` Erich Schubert
2006-10-24 15:00 Latest Diffs Daniel J Walsh
2006-10-31 21:00 ` Christopher J. PeBenito
2006-11-14 20:11   ` Daniel J Walsh
2006-11-15  9:49     ` Russell Coker
2006-11-15 13:39       ` Daniel J Walsh
2006-11-15 17:33         ` Russell Coker
2006-11-16 13:49           ` Christopher J. PeBenito
2006-11-17 13:07             ` Russell Coker
2006-11-17 18:33               ` Joshua Brindle
2006-11-17 21:27                 ` Russell Coker
2006-09-29 19:05 latest diffs Daniel J Walsh
2006-09-05 21:06 Latest Diffs Daniel J Walsh
2006-09-06 16:33 ` Christopher J. PeBenito
2006-08-02 17:33 Latest diffs Daniel J Walsh
2006-06-20 20:19 Daniel J Walsh
2006-06-21 18:31 ` Christopher J. PeBenito
2006-06-12 19:32 Daniel J Walsh
2006-06-12 21:39 ` Christopher J. PeBenito
2006-06-12 21:47   ` Christopher J. PeBenito
     [not found] <44863F06.90206@comcast.net>
2006-06-07 17:46 ` Christopher J. PeBenito
2006-05-18 15:56 Daniel J Walsh
2006-05-19 14:04 ` Christopher J. PeBenito
2006-05-19 14:13   ` Daniel J Walsh
2006-05-19 17:40     ` Christopher J. PeBenito
2006-05-19 18:25       ` Daniel J Walsh
     [not found] <445767D1.3040406@redhat.com>
2006-05-02 15:19 ` Christopher J. PeBenito
     [not found]   ` <44579740.4010708@redhat.com>
2006-05-02 17:57     ` Christopher J. PeBenito
2006-04-20 18:57 Chad Hanson
2006-04-20 18:06 Daniel J Walsh
2006-04-20 18:17 ` Christopher J. PeBenito
2006-04-19  3:16 Daniel J Walsh
2006-04-19 15:34 ` Christopher J. PeBenito
2006-02-20 22:19 Daniel J Walsh
2006-02-23 14:18 ` Christopher J. PeBenito
2006-02-09 18:39 Daniel J Walsh
2006-02-13 22:08 ` Christopher J. PeBenito
2006-02-14 14:01   ` Daniel J Walsh
2006-02-14 19:03     ` Joshua Brindle
2006-02-16 19:30     ` Christopher J. PeBenito
2006-02-01 13:33 Latest Diffs Daniel J Walsh
2006-02-06 22:50 ` Christopher J. PeBenito
2006-01-19 19:16 Daniel J Walsh
2006-01-19 23:18 ` Christopher J. PeBenito
2006-01-20 13:56   ` Daniel J Walsh
2006-01-20 14:53     ` Christopher J. PeBenito
2006-01-17 22:50 Latest diffs Daniel J Walsh
2006-01-18 14:26 ` Christopher J. PeBenito
2006-01-10 14:15 Daniel J Walsh
2006-01-11 15:55 ` Christopher J. PeBenito
2005-12-13 22:07 Latest Diffs Daniel J Walsh
2005-12-14 15:35 ` Christopher J. PeBenito
2005-12-13 15:48 Latest diffs Daniel J Walsh
2005-12-13 20:43 ` Christopher J. PeBenito
2005-12-13 21:56   ` Daniel J Walsh
2005-09-16 17:43 Latest Diffs Daniel J Walsh
2005-10-20 20:23 ` James Carter
2005-08-15 14:29 Daniel J Walsh
2005-07-19 21:12 Latest diffs Daniel J Walsh
2005-07-19 22:16 ` Ivan Gyurdiev
2005-07-20 15:02   ` Daniel J Walsh
2005-07-20 18:41     ` Ivan Gyurdiev
2005-07-20 19:37       ` Daniel J Walsh
2005-07-20 20:56         ` Ivan Gyurdiev
2005-07-20  0:05 ` Casey Schaufler
2005-07-20  2:03   ` Frank Mayer
2005-07-20  2:29     ` Casey Schaufler
2005-07-20  2:49       ` Daniel J Walsh
2005-07-20  3:33         ` Casey Schaufler
2005-07-12 20:24 Latest Diffs Daniel J Walsh
2005-07-08  1:11 Latest diffs Daniel J Walsh
2005-05-28  5:15 latest diffs Daniel J Walsh
2005-04-27 21:17 Latest diffs Daniel J Walsh
2005-04-14 20:49 Daniel J Walsh
2005-04-20 13:17 ` Russell Coker
2005-04-21  1:41   ` Daniel J Walsh
2005-04-21 12:32   ` Daniel J Walsh
2005-02-10 23:24 Daniel J Walsh
     [not found] <1106940328.32737.120.camel@moss-spartans.epoch.ncsc.mil>
2005-01-28 19:48 ` Daniel J Walsh
2005-02-01 18:45   ` James Carter
2005-02-01 19:48     ` Stephen Smalley
2005-02-01 21:41       ` Ivan Gyurdiev
2005-02-02 12:57         ` Stephen Smalley
2005-02-02 13:08       ` Stephen Smalley
2005-02-02 13:17         ` Stephen Smalley
2005-02-02 13:32           ` Daniel J Walsh
2005-02-04  0:58             ` Ivan Gyurdiev
2005-02-04 12:23               ` Stephen Smalley
2005-02-04 12:42                 ` Ivan Gyurdiev
2005-02-04 12:50                   ` Stephen Smalley
2005-02-04 13:59               ` Daniel J Walsh
2005-02-04 14:10                 ` Stephen Smalley
2005-02-04 15:28                   ` Ivan Gyurdiev
2005-02-07  7:53                     ` Ivan Gyurdiev
2005-02-07 19:33                   ` Richard Hally
2005-02-07 19:34                     ` Stephen Smalley
2005-02-10 15:16             ` James Carter
2004-10-25 21:40 latest diffs Daniel J Walsh
2004-10-27 14:35 ` James Carter
2004-10-20 15:24 Latest diffs Daniel J Walsh
2004-10-20 19:18 ` Colin Walters
2004-10-23  4:24   ` Russell Coker
2004-08-25 15:21 Latest Diffs Daniel J Walsh
2004-08-27 13:52 ` James Carter
2004-08-28 12:55   ` Russell Coker
2004-08-30 20:23     ` James Carter
2004-08-28 12:46 ` Russell Coker
2004-08-30 13:54   ` Daniel J Walsh
2004-08-30 15:50     ` Stephen Smalley

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