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From: Andy Lutomirski <luto@amacapital.net>
To: Nicolai Stange <nstange@suse.de>
Cc: Steven Rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org>,
	Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@redhat.com>, Borislav Petkov <bp@alien8.de>,
	"H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>,
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	Jiri Kosina <jikos@kernel.org>, Miroslav Benes <mbenes@suse.cz>,
	Petr Mladek <pmladek@suse.com>,
	Joe Lawrence <joe.lawrence@redhat.com>,
	Shuah Khan <shuah@kernel.org>,
	Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk <konrad.wilk@oracle.com>,
	Tim Chen <tim.c.chen@linux.intel.com>,
	Sebastian Andrzej Siewior <bigeasy@linutronix.de>,
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	Nick Desaulniers <ndesaulniers@google.com>,
	Nayna Jain <nayna@linux.ibm.com>,
	Masahiro Yamada <yamada.masahiro@socionext.com>,
	Andy Lutomirski <luto@kernel.org>, Joerg Roedel <jroedel@suse.de>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, live-patching@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-kselftest@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH 1/4] x86/thread_info: introduce ->ftrace_int3_stack member
Date: Sun, 28 Apr 2019 10:41:10 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <F6268634-96D3-4267-B739-6D375FAB26A8@amacapital.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20190427100639.15074-2-nstange@suse.de>


> On Apr 27, 2019, at 3:06 AM, Nicolai Stange <nstange@suse.de> wrote:
> 
> Before actually rewriting an insn, x86' DYNAMIC_FTRACE  implementation
> places an int3 breakpoint on it. Currently, ftrace_int3_handler() simply
> treats the insn in question as nop and advances %rip past it.

How does this not crash all the time?

> An upcoming
> patch will improve this by making the int3 trap handler emulate the call
> insn. To this end, ftrace_int3_handler() will be made to change its iret
> frame's ->ip to some stub which will then mimic the function call in the
> original context.
> 
> Somehow the trapping ->ip address will have to get communicated from
> ftrace_int3_handler() to these stubs though.

Cute.  But this should get “ftrace” removed from the name, since it’s potentially more generally useful.  Josh wanted something like this for static_call.

> Note that at any given point
> in time, there can be at most four such call insn emulations pending:
> namely at most one per "process", "irq", "softirq" and "nmi" context.
> 

That’s quite an assumption. I think your list should also contain exception, exceptions nested inside that exception, and machine check, at the very least.  I’m also wondering why irq and softirq are treated separately.

All this makes me think that one of the other solutions we came up with last time we discussed this might be better.


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From: luto at amacapital.net (Andy Lutomirski)
Subject: [PATCH 1/4] x86/thread_info: introduce ->ftrace_int3_stack member
Date: Sun, 28 Apr 2019 10:41:10 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <F6268634-96D3-4267-B739-6D375FAB26A8@amacapital.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20190427100639.15074-2-nstange@suse.de>


> On Apr 27, 2019, at 3:06 AM, Nicolai Stange <nstange at suse.de> wrote:
> 
> Before actually rewriting an insn, x86' DYNAMIC_FTRACE  implementation
> places an int3 breakpoint on it. Currently, ftrace_int3_handler() simply
> treats the insn in question as nop and advances %rip past it.

How does this not crash all the time?

> An upcoming
> patch will improve this by making the int3 trap handler emulate the call
> insn. To this end, ftrace_int3_handler() will be made to change its iret
> frame's ->ip to some stub which will then mimic the function call in the
> original context.
> 
> Somehow the trapping ->ip address will have to get communicated from
> ftrace_int3_handler() to these stubs though.

Cute.  But this should get “ftrace” removed from the name, since it’s potentially more generally useful.  Josh wanted something like this for static_call.

> Note that at any given point
> in time, there can be at most four such call insn emulations pending:
> namely at most one per "process", "irq", "softirq" and "nmi" context.
> 

That’s quite an assumption. I think your list should also contain exception, exceptions nested inside that exception, and machine check, at the very least.  I’m also wondering why irq and softirq are treated separately.

All this makes me think that one of the other solutions we came up with last time we discussed this might be better.

WARNING: multiple messages have this Message-ID (diff)
From: luto@amacapital.net (Andy Lutomirski)
Subject: [PATCH 1/4] x86/thread_info: introduce ->ftrace_int3_stack member
Date: Sun, 28 Apr 2019 10:41:10 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <F6268634-96D3-4267-B739-6D375FAB26A8@amacapital.net> (raw)
Message-ID: <20190428174110.vj9e5wf0m5_CVRs658OZUjNiM8s2HC8lh5lOzzkO4KE@z> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20190427100639.15074-2-nstange@suse.de>


> On Apr 27, 2019,@3:06 AM, Nicolai Stange <nstange@suse.de> wrote:
> 
> Before actually rewriting an insn, x86' DYNAMIC_FTRACE  implementation
> places an int3 breakpoint on it. Currently, ftrace_int3_handler() simply
> treats the insn in question as nop and advances %rip past it.

How does this not crash all the time?

> An upcoming
> patch will improve this by making the int3 trap handler emulate the call
> insn. To this end, ftrace_int3_handler() will be made to change its iret
> frame's ->ip to some stub which will then mimic the function call in the
> original context.
> 
> Somehow the trapping ->ip address will have to get communicated from
> ftrace_int3_handler() to these stubs though.

Cute.  But this should get “ftrace” removed from the name, since it’s potentially more generally useful.  Josh wanted something like this for static_call.

> Note that at any given point
> in time, there can be at most four such call insn emulations pending:
> namely at most one per "process", "irq", "softirq" and "nmi" context.
> 

That’s quite an assumption. I think your list should also contain exception, exceptions nested inside that exception, and machine check, at the very least.  I’m also wondering why irq and softirq are treated separately.

All this makes me think that one of the other solutions we came up with last time we discussed this might be better.

  reply	other threads:[~2019-04-28 17:41 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 192+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2019-04-27 10:06 [PATCH 0/4] x86/ftrace: make ftrace_int3_handler() not to skip fops invocation Nicolai Stange
2019-04-27 10:06 ` Nicolai Stange
2019-04-27 10:06 ` nstange
2019-04-27 10:06 ` [PATCH 1/4] x86/thread_info: introduce ->ftrace_int3_stack member Nicolai Stange
2019-04-27 10:06   ` Nicolai Stange
2019-04-27 10:06   ` nstange
2019-04-28 17:41   ` Andy Lutomirski [this message]
2019-04-28 17:41     ` Andy Lutomirski
2019-04-28 17:41     ` luto
2019-04-28 17:51     ` Steven Rostedt
2019-04-28 17:51       ` Steven Rostedt
2019-04-28 17:51       ` rostedt
2019-04-28 18:08       ` Andy Lutomirski
2019-04-28 18:08         ` Andy Lutomirski
2019-04-28 18:08         ` luto
2019-04-28 19:43         ` Steven Rostedt
2019-04-28 19:43           ` Steven Rostedt
2019-04-28 19:43           ` rostedt
2019-04-28 20:56           ` Andy Lutomirski
2019-04-28 20:56             ` Andy Lutomirski
2019-04-28 20:56             ` luto
2019-04-28 21:22       ` Nicolai Stange
2019-04-28 21:22         ` Nicolai Stange
2019-04-28 21:22         ` nstange
2019-04-28 23:27         ` Andy Lutomirski
2019-04-28 23:27           ` Andy Lutomirski
2019-04-28 23:27           ` luto
2019-04-27 10:06 ` [PATCH 2/4] ftrace: drop 'static' qualifier from ftrace_ops_list_func() Nicolai Stange
2019-04-27 10:06   ` Nicolai Stange
2019-04-27 10:06   ` nstange
2019-04-27 10:06 ` [PATCH 3/4] x86/ftrace: make ftrace_int3_handler() not to skip fops invocation Nicolai Stange
2019-04-27 10:06   ` Nicolai Stange
2019-04-27 10:06   ` nstange
2019-04-27 10:26   ` Peter Zijlstra
2019-04-27 10:26     ` Peter Zijlstra
2019-04-27 10:26     ` peterz
2019-04-28 17:38     ` Steven Rostedt
2019-04-28 17:38       ` Steven Rostedt
2019-04-28 17:38       ` rostedt
2019-04-29 18:06       ` Linus Torvalds
2019-04-29 18:06         ` Linus Torvalds
2019-04-29 18:06         ` torvalds
2019-04-29 18:22         ` Linus Torvalds
2019-04-29 18:22           ` Linus Torvalds
2019-04-29 18:22           ` torvalds
2019-04-29 18:42           ` Andy Lutomirski
2019-04-29 18:42             ` Andy Lutomirski
2019-04-29 18:42             ` luto
     [not found]             ` <CAHk-=whtt4K2f0KPtG-4Pykh3FK8UBOjD8jhXCUKB5nWDj_YRA@mail.gmail.com>
2019-04-29 18:56               ` Andy Lutomirski
2019-04-29 18:56                 ` Andy Lutomirski
2019-04-29 18:56                 ` luto
     [not found]                 ` <CAHk-=wgewK4eFhF3=0RNtk1KQjMANFH6oDE=8m=84RExn2gxhw@mail.gmail.com>
     [not found]                   ` <CAHk-=whay7eN6+2gZjY-ybRbkbcqAmgrLwwszzHx8ws3c=S-MA@mail.gmail.com>
2019-04-29 19:24                     ` Andy Lutomirski
2019-04-29 19:24                       ` Andy Lutomirski
2019-04-29 19:24                       ` luto
2019-04-29 20:07                       ` Linus Torvalds
2019-04-29 20:07                         ` Linus Torvalds
2019-04-29 20:07                         ` torvalds
2019-04-30 13:56                         ` Peter Zijlstra
2019-04-30 13:56                           ` Peter Zijlstra
2019-04-30 13:56                           ` peterz
2019-04-30 16:06                           ` Linus Torvalds
2019-04-30 16:06                             ` Linus Torvalds
2019-04-30 16:06                             ` torvalds
2019-04-30 16:33                             ` Andy Lutomirski
2019-04-30 16:33                               ` Andy Lutomirski
2019-04-30 16:33                               ` luto
2019-04-30 17:03                               ` Steven Rostedt
2019-04-30 17:03                                 ` Steven Rostedt
2019-04-30 17:03                                 ` rostedt
2019-04-30 17:20                                 ` Steven Rostedt
2019-04-30 17:20                                   ` Steven Rostedt
2019-04-30 17:20                                   ` rostedt
2019-04-30 17:49                                   ` [RFC][PATCH] ftrace/x86: Emulate call function while updating in breakpoint handler Steven Rostedt
2019-04-30 17:49                                     ` Steven Rostedt
2019-04-30 17:49                                     ` rostedt
2019-04-30 18:33                                     ` Linus Torvalds
2019-04-30 18:33                                       ` Linus Torvalds
2019-04-30 18:33                                       ` torvalds
2019-04-30 19:00                                       ` Steven Rostedt
2019-04-30 19:00                                         ` Steven Rostedt
2019-04-30 19:00                                         ` rostedt
2019-04-30 21:08                                       ` Steven Rostedt
2019-04-30 21:08                                         ` Steven Rostedt
2019-04-30 21:08                                         ` rostedt
2019-05-01 13:11                                       ` Peter Zijlstra
2019-05-01 13:11                                         ` Peter Zijlstra
2019-05-01 13:11                                         ` peterz
2019-05-01 18:58                                         ` Steven Rostedt
2019-05-01 18:58                                           ` Steven Rostedt
2019-05-01 18:58                                           ` rostedt
2019-05-01 19:03                                           ` Peter Zijlstra
2019-05-01 19:03                                             ` Peter Zijlstra
2019-05-01 19:03                                             ` peterz
2019-05-01 19:03                                         ` Linus Torvalds
2019-05-01 19:03                                           ` Linus Torvalds
2019-05-01 19:03                                           ` torvalds
2019-05-01 19:13                                           ` Peter Zijlstra
2019-05-01 19:13                                             ` Peter Zijlstra
2019-05-01 19:13                                             ` peterz
2019-05-01 19:13                                           ` Steven Rostedt
2019-05-01 19:13                                             ` Steven Rostedt
2019-05-01 19:13                                             ` rostedt
2019-05-01 19:33                                             ` Jiri Kosina
2019-05-01 19:33                                               ` Jiri Kosina
2019-05-01 19:33                                               ` jikos
2019-05-01 19:41                                               ` Peter Zijlstra
2019-05-01 19:41                                                 ` Peter Zijlstra
2019-05-01 19:41                                                 ` peterz
2019-04-30 21:53                                     ` [RFC][PATCH v2] " Steven Rostedt
2019-04-30 21:53                                       ` Steven Rostedt
2019-04-30 21:53                                       ` rostedt
2019-05-01  1:35                                       ` Steven Rostedt
2019-05-01  1:35                                         ` Steven Rostedt
2019-05-01  1:35                                         ` rostedt
2019-05-01  1:58                                         ` Linus Torvalds
2019-05-01  1:58                                           ` Linus Torvalds
2019-05-01  1:58                                           ` torvalds
2019-05-01  8:26                                       ` Nicolai Stange
2019-05-01  8:26                                         ` Nicolai Stange
2019-05-01  8:26                                         ` nstange
2019-05-01 13:22                                         ` Steven Rostedt
2019-05-01 13:22                                           ` Steven Rostedt
2019-05-01 13:22                                           ` rostedt
2019-04-29 20:16                   ` [PATCH 3/4] x86/ftrace: make ftrace_int3_handler() not to skip fops invocation Linus Torvalds
2019-04-29 20:16                     ` Linus Torvalds
2019-04-29 20:16                     ` torvalds
2019-04-29 22:08                     ` Sean Christopherson
2019-04-29 22:08                       ` Sean Christopherson
2019-04-29 22:08                       ` sean.j.christopherson
2019-04-29 22:22                       ` Linus Torvalds
2019-04-29 22:22                         ` Linus Torvalds
2019-04-29 22:22                         ` torvalds
2019-04-30  0:08                         ` Sean Christopherson
2019-04-30  0:08                           ` Sean Christopherson
2019-04-30  0:08                           ` sean.j.christopherson
2019-04-30  0:45                           ` Sean Christopherson
2019-04-30  0:45                             ` Sean Christopherson
2019-04-30  0:45                             ` sean.j.christopherson
2019-04-30  2:26                             ` Linus Torvalds
2019-04-30  2:26                               ` Linus Torvalds
2019-04-30  2:26                               ` torvalds
2019-04-30 10:40                               ` Peter Zijlstra
2019-04-30 10:40                                 ` Peter Zijlstra
2019-04-30 10:40                                 ` peterz
2019-04-30 11:17                               ` Jiri Kosina
2019-04-30 11:17                                 ` Jiri Kosina
2019-04-30 11:17                                 ` jikos
2019-04-29 22:06                 ` Linus Torvalds
2019-04-29 22:06                   ` Linus Torvalds
2019-04-29 22:06                   ` torvalds
2019-04-30 11:18                   ` Peter Zijlstra
2019-04-30 11:18                     ` Peter Zijlstra
2019-04-30 11:18                     ` peterz
2019-04-29 18:52         ` Steven Rostedt
2019-04-29 18:52           ` Steven Rostedt
2019-04-29 18:52           ` rostedt
     [not found]           ` <CAHk-=wjm93jLtVxTX4HZs6K4k1Wqh3ujjmapqaYtcibVk_YnzQ@mail.gmail.com>
2019-04-29 19:07             ` Steven Rostedt
2019-04-29 19:07               ` Steven Rostedt
2019-04-29 19:07               ` rostedt
2019-04-29 20:06               ` Linus Torvalds
2019-04-29 20:06                 ` Linus Torvalds
2019-04-29 20:06                 ` torvalds
2019-04-29 20:20                 ` Linus Torvalds
2019-04-29 20:20                   ` Linus Torvalds
2019-04-29 20:20                   ` torvalds
2019-04-29 20:30                 ` Steven Rostedt
2019-04-29 20:30                   ` Steven Rostedt
2019-04-29 20:30                   ` rostedt
2019-04-29 21:38                   ` Linus Torvalds
2019-04-29 21:38                     ` Linus Torvalds
2019-04-29 21:38                     ` torvalds
2019-04-29 22:07                     ` Steven Rostedt
2019-04-29 22:07                       ` Steven Rostedt
2019-04-29 22:07                       ` rostedt
2019-04-30  9:24                       ` Nicolai Stange
2019-04-30  9:24                         ` Nicolai Stange
2019-04-30  9:24                         ` nstange
2019-04-30 10:46           ` Peter Zijlstra
2019-04-30 10:46             ` Peter Zijlstra
2019-04-30 10:46             ` peterz
2019-04-30 13:44             ` Steven Rostedt
2019-04-30 13:44               ` Steven Rostedt
2019-04-30 13:44               ` rostedt
2019-04-30 14:20               ` Peter Zijlstra
2019-04-30 14:20                 ` Peter Zijlstra
2019-04-30 14:20                 ` peterz
2019-04-30 14:36                 ` Steven Rostedt
2019-04-30 14:36                   ` Steven Rostedt
2019-04-30 14:36                   ` rostedt
2019-04-27 10:06 ` [PATCH 4/4] selftests/livepatch: add "ftrace a live patched function" test Nicolai Stange
2019-04-27 10:06   ` Nicolai Stange
2019-04-27 10:06   ` nstange

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