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From: Brian R Cowan <brcowan@us.ibm.com>
To: Trond Myklebust <trond.myklebust@fys.uio.no>
Cc: Carlos Carvalho <carlos@fisica.ufpr.br>,
	linux-nfs@vger.kernel.org, linux-nfs-owner@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Link performance over NFS degraded in RHEL5. -- was : Read/Write NFS I/O performance degraded by FLUSH_STABLE page flushing
Date: Thu, 4 Jun 2009 16:43:07 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <OF37FCED66.33F08949-ON852575CB.006DE109-852575CB.0071CFBD@us.ibm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1244138698.5203.59.camel@heimdal.trondhjem.org>

Trond Myklebust <trond.myklebust@fys.uio.no> wrote on 06/04/2009 02:04:58 
PM:

> Did you try turning off write gathering on the server (i.e. add the
> 'no_wdelay' export option)? As I said earlier, that forces a delay of
> 10ms per RPC call, which might explain the FILE_SYNC slowness.

Just tried it, this seems to be a very useful workaround as well. The 
FILE_SYNC write calls come back in about the same amount of time as the 
write+commit pairs... Speeds up building regardless of the network 
filesystem (ClearCase MVFS or straight NFS).

> > The bottom line:
> > * If someone can help me find where 2.6 stopped setting small writes 
to 
> > FILE_SYNC, I'd appreciate it. It would save me time walking through 
>50 
> > commitdiffs in gitweb...
> 
> It still does set FILE_SYNC for single page writes.

Well, the network trace *seems* to say otherwise, but that could be 
because the 2.6.29 kernel is now reliably following a code path that 
doesn't set up to do FILE_SYNC writes for these flushes... Just like the 
RHEL 5 traces didn't have every "small" write to the link output file go 
out as a FILE_SYNC write.

> 
> > * Is this the correct place to start discussing the annoying 
> > write-before-almost-every-read behavior that 2.6.18 picked up and 
2.6.29 
> > continues? 
> 
> Yes, but you'll need to tell us a bit more about the write patterns. Are
> these random writes, or are they sequential? Is there any file locking
> involved?

Well, it's just a link, so it's random read/write traffic. (read object 
file/library, add stuff to output file, seek somewhere else and update a 
table, etc., etc.) All I did here was build Samba over nfs, remove 
bin/smbd, and then do a "make bin/smbd" to rebuild it. My network traces 
show that the file is opened "UNCHECKED" when doing the build in straight 
NFS, and "EXCLUSIVE" when building in a ClearCase view. This change does 
not seem to impact the behavior. We never lock the output file. The 
write-before-read happens all over the place. And when we did straces and 
lined up the call times, is it a read operation triggering the write. 

> 
> As I've said earlier in this thread, all NFS clients will flush out the
> dirty data if a page that is being attempted read also contains
> uninitialised areas.

What I'm trying to understand is why RHEL 4 is not flushing anywhere near 
as often. Either RHEL4 erred on the side of not writing, and RHEL5 is 
erring on the opposite side, or RHEL5 is doing unnecessary flushes... I've 
seen that 2.6.29 flushes less than the Red hat 2.6.18-derived kernels, but 
it still flushes a lot more than RHEL 4 does.

In any event, that doesn't help us here since 1) ClearCase can't work with 
that kernel; 2) Red Hat won't support use of that kernel on RHEL 5; and 3) 
the amount of code review my customer would have to go through to get the 
whole kernel vetted for use in their environment is frightening.


  reply	other threads:[~2009-06-04 20:43 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 94+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2009-04-30 20:12 Read/Write NFS I/O performance degraded by FLUSH_STABLE page flushing Brian R Cowan
2009-04-30 20:25 ` Christoph Hellwig
2009-04-30 20:28 ` Chuck Lever
2009-04-30 20:41   ` Peter Staubach
2009-04-30 21:13     ` Chuck Lever
2009-04-30 21:23     ` Trond Myklebust
2009-05-01 16:39       ` Brian R Cowan
     [not found]       ` <1241126587.15476.62.camel-rJ7iovZKK19ZJLDQqaL3InhyD016LWXt@public.gmane.org>
2009-05-29 15:55         ` Brian R Cowan
2009-05-29 16:46           ` Trond Myklebust
     [not found]             ` <1243615595.7155.48.camel-rJ7iovZKK19ZJLDQqaL3InhyD016LWXt@public.gmane.org>
2009-05-29 17:25               ` Brian R Cowan
2009-05-29 17:35                 ` Trond Myklebust
     [not found]                   ` <1243618500.7155.56.camel-rJ7iovZKK19ZJLDQqaL3InhyD016LWXt@public.gmane.org>
2009-05-30  0:22                     ` Greg Banks
     [not found]                       ` <ac442c870905291722x1ec811b2sda997d464898fcda-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2009-05-30  7:57                         ` Christoph Hellwig
2009-06-01 22:30                           ` J. Bruce Fields
2009-06-05 14:54                             ` Christoph Hellwig
2009-06-05 16:01                               ` J. Bruce Fields
2009-06-05 16:12                               ` Trond Myklebust
     [not found]                                 ` <1244218328.5410.38.camel-rJ7iovZKK19ZJLDQqaL3InhyD016LWXt@public.gmane.org>
2009-06-05 19:54                                   ` J. Bruce Fields
2009-06-05 21:21                                     ` Trond Myklebust
2009-05-30 12:26                         ` Trond Myklebust
     [not found]                           ` <1243686363.5209.16.camel-rJ7iovZKK19ZJLDQqaL3InhyD016LWXt@public.gmane.org>
2009-05-30 12:43                             ` Trond Myklebust
2009-05-30 13:02                             ` Greg Banks
     [not found]                               ` <ac442c870905300602v6950ec42y5195d2d6ea7dd4c-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2009-06-01 22:30                                 ` J. Bruce Fields
2009-06-02 15:00                                 ` Chuck Lever
2009-06-02 17:27                                   ` Trond Myklebust
     [not found]                                     ` <1243963631.4868.124.camel-rJ7iovZKK19ZJLDQqaL3InhyD016LWXt@public.gmane.org>
2009-06-02 18:15                                       ` Chuck Lever
2009-06-03 16:22                                       ` Carlos Carvalho
2009-06-03 17:10                                         ` Trond Myklebust
     [not found]                                           ` <OFB53BFCCB.0CEC7A7E-ON852575C <1244138698.5203.59.camel@heimdal.trondhjem.org>
2009-06-03 21:28                                           ` Dean Hildebrand
2009-06-04  2:16                                             ` Carlos Carvalho
2009-06-04 17:42                                           ` Brian R Cowan
2009-06-04 18:04                                             ` Trond Myklebust
2009-06-04 20:43                                               ` Brian R Cowan [this message]
2009-06-04 20:57                                                 ` Link performance over NFS degraded in RHEL5. -- was : " Trond Myklebust
2009-06-04 21:30                                                   ` Brian R Cowan
2009-06-04 21:48                                                     ` Trond Myklebust
2009-06-04 21:07                                                 ` Peter Staubach
2009-06-04 21:39                                                   ` Brian R Cowan
2009-06-05 11:35                                                 ` Steve Dickson
2009-06-05 12:46                                                   ` Trond Myklebust
2009-06-05 13:03                                                     ` Brian R Cowan
2009-06-05 13:05                                                   ` Tom Talpey
     [not found]                                                   ` <4A29144A.6030405@gmail.com>
2009-06-05 13:30                                                     ` Steve Dickson
2009-06-05 13:52                                                       ` Trond Myklebust
     [not found]                                                         ` <1244209956.5410.33.camel-rJ7iovZKK19ZJLDQqaL3InhyD016LWXt@public.gmane.org>
2009-06-05 13:57                                                           ` Steve Dickson
     [not found]                                                             ` <4A29243F.8080008-AfCzQyP5zfLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2009-06-05 16:05                                                               ` J. Bruce Fields
2009-06-05 16:35                                                                 ` Trond Myklebust
     [not found]                                                                   ` <1244219715.5410.40.camel-rJ7iovZKK19ZJLDQqaL3InhyD016LWXt@public.gmane.org>
2009-06-15 23:08                                                                     ` J. Bruce Fields
2009-06-16  0:21                                                                       ` NeilBrown
     [not found]                                                                         ` <99d4545537613ce76040d3655b78bdb7.squirrel-eq65iwfR9nKIECXXMXunQA@public.gmane.org>
2009-06-16  0:33                                                                           ` J. Bruce Fields
2009-06-16  0:50                                                                             ` NeilBrown
     [not found]                                                                               ` <02ada87c636e1088e9365a3cbea301e7.squirrel-eq65iwfR9nKIECXXMXunQA@public.gmane.org>
2009-06-16  0:55                                                                                 ` J. Bruce Fields
2009-06-17 16:54                                                                                   ` J. Bruce Fields
2009-06-17 16:59                                                                                     ` [PATCH 1/3] nfsd: track last inode only in use_wgather case J. Bruce Fields
2009-06-17 16:59                                                                                       ` [PATCH 2/3] nfsd: Pull write-gathering code out of nfsd_vfs_write J. Bruce Fields
2009-06-17 16:59                                                                                         ` [PATCH 3/3] nfsd: minor nfsd_vfs_write cleanup J. Bruce Fields
2009-06-16  0:32                                                                       ` Link performance over NFS degraded in RHEL5. -- was : Read/Write NFS I/O performance degraded by FLUSH_STABLE page flushing Trond Myklebust
     [not found]                                                                         ` <1245112324.7470.7.camel-rJ7iovZKK19ZJLDQqaL3InhyD016LWXt@public.gmane.org>
2009-06-16  2:02                                                                           ` J. Bruce Fields
     [not found]                                                     ` <4A291D83.1000508@RedHat.com>
2009-06-05 13:50                                                       ` Tom Talpey
2009-06-05 13:54                                                         ` Trond Myklebust
2009-06-05 13:58                                                           ` Tom Talpey
2009-06-05 13:56                                                   ` Brian R Cowan
2009-06-24 19:54                                               ` [PATCH] read-modify-write page updating Peter Staubach
2009-06-25 17:13                                                 ` Trond Myklebust
     [not found]                                                   ` <1245950029.4913.17.camel-rJ7iovZKK19ZJLDQqaL3InhyD016LWXt@public.gmane.org>
2009-07-09 13:59                                                     ` Peter Staubach
2009-07-09 14:12                                                 ` [PATCH v2] " Peter Staubach
2009-07-09 15:39                                                   ` Trond Myklebust
     [not found]                                                     ` <1247153972.5766.15.camel-rJ7iovZKK19ZJLDQqaL3InhyD016LWXt@public.gmane.org>
2009-07-10 15:57                                                       ` Peter Staubach
2009-07-10 17:22                                                         ` J. Bruce Fields
2009-08-04 17:52                                                   ` [PATCH v3] " Peter Staubach
2009-08-05  0:50                                                     ` Trond Myklebust
2009-05-29 17:48               ` Read/Write NFS I/O performance degraded by FLUSH_STABLE page flushing Peter Staubach
2009-05-29 18:21                 ` Trond Myklebust
2009-05-29 17:01           ` Chuck Lever
2009-05-29 17:38             ` Brian R Cowan
2009-05-29 17:42               ` Trond Myklebust
     [not found]                 ` <1243618968.7155.60.camel-rJ7iovZKK19ZJLDQqaL3InhyD016LWXt@public.gmane.org>
2009-05-29 17:47                   ` Chuck Lever
2009-05-29 18:15                     ` Trond Myklebust
2009-05-29 17:51                   ` Peter Staubach
2009-05-29 18:25                     ` Brian R Cowan
2009-05-29 18:43                     ` Trond Myklebust
2009-05-29 17:55                   ` Brian R Cowan
2009-05-29 18:07                     ` Trond Myklebust
     [not found]                       ` <1243620455.7155.80.camel-rJ7iovZKK19ZJLDQqaL3InhyD016LWXt@public.gmane.org>
2009-05-29 18:18                         ` Brian R Cowan
2009-05-29 18:29                           ` Trond Myklebust
     [not found]                             ` <1243621769.7155.97.camel-rJ7iovZKK19ZJLDQqaL3InhyD016LWXt@public.gmane.org>
2009-05-29 20:09                               ` Brian R Cowan
2009-05-29 20:21                                 ` Trond Myklebust
     [not found]                                   ` <1243628519.7155.150.camel-rJ7iovZKK19ZJLDQqaL3InhyD016LWXt@public.gmane.org>
2009-05-29 21:55                                     ` Brian R Cowan
2009-05-29 22:03                                       ` Trond Myklebust
     [not found]                                   ` <OFBB9B2C07.CC3D028B-ON852575C5. <1243634634.7155.160.camel@heimdal.trondhjem.org>
     [not found]                                     ` <1243634634.7155.160.camel-rJ7iovZKK19ZJLDQqaL3InhyD016LWXt@public.gmane.org>
2009-05-29 22:20                                       ` Brian R Cowan
2009-05-29 22:36                                         ` Trond Myklebust
     [not found]                                     ` <OF061E0258.9581352B-ON852575C <1243636593.7155.188.camel@heimdal.trondhjem.org>
     [not found]                                       ` <1243636593.7155.188.camel-rJ7iovZKK19ZJLDQqaL3InhyD016LWXt@public.gmane.org>
2009-05-29 23:02                                         ` Brian R Cowan
2009-05-29 23:13                                           ` Trond Myklebust
2009-05-29 17:57                   ` Trond Myklebust

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