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From: Joakim Tjernlund <joakim.tjernlund@transmode.se>
To: Benjamin Herrenschmidt <benh@kernel.crashing.org>
Cc: Scott Wood <scottwood@freescale.com>,
	linuxppc-dev@ozlabs.org, Bob Cochran <ppc@mindchasers.com>,
	support@abatron.ch
Subject: Re: [RFC] [PATCH] powerpc: Add MSR_DE to MSR_KERNEL
Date: Sat, 2 Jun 2012 20:29:39 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <OFF2E739FE.A96EBAF2-ONC1257A11.00655546-C1257A11.0065978F@transmode.se> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1338593099.16119.60.camel@pasglop>

>
> On Fri, 2012-06-01 at 17:42 -0500, Scott Wood wrote:
> > On 06/01/2012 05:30 PM, Benjamin Herrenschmidt wrote:
> > > BTW. My point of view is that this whole business about MSR:DE is a HW
> > > design bug. There should be -no- (absolutely 0) interaction between the
> > > SW state and the HW debugger for normal operations unless the user of
> > > the debugger explicitly wants to change some state.
> >
> > I agree entirely, and e500mc at least has less of this than e500v2 (not
> > sure if it still needs MSR[DE], but supposedly it doesn't have the
> > requirement for there to be a valid instruction at the debug vector,
> > which is lots of fun when booting).  But this isn't exactly something
> > Freescale is going to replace existing chips over.
> >
> > Getting all the way to zero interaction would require a completely
> > separate debug facility so software can debug at the same time.  I'd be
> > all for that (and let's throw in a third, for the hypervisor), but I'm
> > not the one that needs to be convinced.
>
> You can find a good compromise. If you have some kind of SPR letting you
> know now many DACs and IACs are available, you could essentially
> "reserve" some for HW debug with the probe. Not as good as a fully
> separate facility but still better than stepping on each other toes.
>
> Things like DBCR should probably still be separated. There's no excuse
> for the MSR:DE bullshit tho :-)

hmm, where does this go w.r.t the patch? Got the feeling that the
best thing is to just turn MSR:DE on and be done with it?

 Jocke

  reply	other threads:[~2012-06-02 18:29 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 33+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2012-05-30  7:43 [RFC] [PATCH] powerpc: Add MSR_DE to MSR_KERNEL Joakim Tjernlund
2012-05-30  7:59 ` Dan Malek
2012-05-30 12:08   ` Re[2]: " Abatron Support
2012-05-31  9:05     ` Joakim Tjernlund
2012-05-31  9:30       ` Re[4]: " Abatron Support
2012-05-31  9:56         ` Joakim Tjernlund
2012-05-31 17:47           ` Scott Wood
2012-05-31 21:38             ` Joakim Tjernlund
2012-05-31 21:43               ` Scott Wood
2012-05-31 22:14                 ` Joakim Tjernlund
2012-05-31 22:16                   ` Scott Wood
2012-05-31 22:33                     ` Joakim Tjernlund
2012-05-31 22:35                     ` Joakim Tjernlund
2012-07-20  8:27                       ` Zang Roy-R61911
2012-07-20  8:37                         ` Joakim Tjernlund
2013-06-25  0:51                           ` Scott Wood
2013-06-25  6:00                             ` Joakim Tjernlund
2013-06-26 21:42                               ` Scott Wood
2012-06-01  9:12       ` Re[2]: " Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2012-06-01 10:34         ` Joakim Tjernlund
2012-05-30 13:26 ` Bob Cochran
2012-06-01  9:14   ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2012-06-01 10:38     ` Joakim Tjernlund
2012-06-01 16:28     ` Scott Wood
2012-06-01 22:30       ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2012-06-01 22:42         ` Scott Wood
2012-06-01 23:24           ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2012-06-02 18:29             ` Joakim Tjernlund [this message]
2012-06-02 21:21               ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2012-06-03  9:20                 ` Joakim Tjernlund
2012-06-04  9:06                 ` Joakim Tjernlund
     [not found]                 ` <OF7810EBD9.B191A242-ONC1257A13.0031E9E3-C1257A13.00320D10@LocalDomain>
2012-07-11 14:24                   ` Joakim Tjernlund
2012-07-11 14:45                     ` Kumar Gala

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