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From: Alan Stern <stern@rowland.harvard.edu>
To: Tejun Heo <tj@kernel.org>
Cc: Arjan van de Ven <arjan@linux.intel.com>,
	Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
	Ming Lei <ming.lei@canonical.com>,
	Alex Riesen <raa.lkml@gmail.com>, Jens Axboe <axboe@kernel.dk>,
	USB list <linux-usb@vger.kernel.org>,
	Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: USB device cannot be reconnected and khubd "blocked for more than 120 seconds"
Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2013 23:01:15 -0500 (EST)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44L0.1301152253070.26877-100000@netrider.rowland.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20130116003530.GK2668@htj.dyndns.org>

On Tue, 15 Jan 2013, Tejun Heo wrote:

> Hello, Arjan.
> 
> On Tue, Jan 15, 2013 at 04:25:54PM -0800, Arjan van de Ven wrote:
> > async fundamentally had the concept of a monotonic increasing number,
> > and that you could always wait for "everyone before me".
> > then people (like me) wanted exceptions to what "everyone" means ;-(
> > I'm ok with going back to a single space and simplify the world.
> 
> If we want (or need) finer grained operation, we'll probably have to
> head the other direction, so that we can definitively tell that an
> async operation belongs to domains system, module load A and B, so
> that each waiter knows what to wait for.
> 
> The current domain implementation is somewhere inbetween.  It's not
> completely simplistic system and at the same time not developed enough
> to do properly stacked flushing.

I like your idea of chronological synchronization: Insist that anybody
who wants to flush async jobs must get a cookie, and then only allow
them to wait for async jobs started after the cookie was issued.

I don't know if this is possible with the current implementation.  It 
would require changing every call to async_synchronize_*(), and in a 
nontrivial way.  But it might provide a proper solution to all these 
problems.

Can you think of any reasons why it wouldn't work in principle?  It 
would prevent code from doing "wait until all currently-running async 
jobs have finished" -- but arguably, nobody should be allowed to do 
that anyway.

Alan Stern



  reply	other threads:[~2013-01-16  4:01 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 93+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2013-01-11 21:04 USB device cannot be reconnected and khubd "blocked for more than 120 seconds" Alex Riesen
2013-01-12  7:48 ` Alex Riesen
2013-01-12  9:18   ` Lan Tianyu
2013-01-12 17:37   ` Alan Stern
2013-01-12 19:39     ` Alex Riesen
2013-01-12 20:33       ` Alex Riesen
2013-01-12 22:52         ` Alan Stern
2013-01-13 12:09           ` Alex Riesen
2013-01-13 16:56             ` Alan Stern
2013-01-13 17:42               ` Alex Riesen
2013-01-13 19:16                 ` Oliver Neukum
2013-01-14  2:39                   ` Alan Stern
2013-01-14 16:43                     ` Alex Riesen
2013-01-14  3:47                 ` Ming Lei
2013-01-14  7:15                   ` Ming Lei
2013-01-14 17:30                     ` Linus Torvalds
2013-01-14 18:04                       ` Alan Stern
2013-01-14 18:34                         ` Linus Torvalds
2013-01-15  1:53                       ` Ming Lei
2013-01-15  6:23                         ` Ming Lei
2013-01-15 17:36                           ` Linus Torvalds
2013-01-15 18:18                             ` Linus Torvalds
2013-01-15 23:17                               ` Tejun Heo
2013-01-15 18:20                             ` Alan Stern
2013-01-15 18:39                               ` Tejun Heo
2013-01-15 18:32                             ` Tejun Heo
2013-01-15 20:18                               ` Linus Torvalds
2013-01-15 23:50                                 ` Tejun Heo
2013-01-16  0:25                                   ` Arjan van de Ven
2013-01-16  0:35                                     ` Tejun Heo
2013-01-16  4:01                                       ` Alan Stern [this message]
2013-01-16 16:12                                         ` Tejun Heo
2013-01-16 17:01                                           ` Alan Stern
2013-01-16 17:37                                             ` Tejun Heo
2013-01-16 17:51                                               ` Alan Stern
2013-01-16  0:36                                   ` Linus Torvalds
2013-01-16  0:40                                     ` Linus Torvalds
2013-01-16  2:52                                       ` [PATCH] module, async: async_synchronize_full() on module init iff async is used Tejun Heo
2013-01-16  3:00                                         ` Linus Torvalds
2013-01-16  3:25                                           ` Tejun Heo
2013-01-16  3:37                                             ` Linus Torvalds
2013-01-16 16:22                                               ` Arjan van de Ven
2013-01-16 16:48                                               ` Tejun Heo
2013-01-16 17:03                                                 ` Arjan van de Ven
2013-01-16 17:06                                                   ` Linus Torvalds
2013-01-16 21:30                                                     ` [PATCH 1/2] init, block: try to load default elevator module early during boot Tejun Heo
2013-01-17 18:05                                                       ` Linus Torvalds
2013-01-17 18:38                                                         ` Tejun Heo
2013-01-17 18:46                                                           ` Linus Torvalds
2013-01-17 18:59                                                             ` Tejun Heo
2013-01-17 19:00                                                               ` Linus Torvalds
2013-01-18  1:24                                                         ` [PATCH 1/3] workqueue: set PF_WQ_WORKER on rescuers Tejun Heo
2013-01-18  1:25                                                         ` [PATCH 2/3] workqueue, async: implement work/async_current_func() Tejun Heo
2013-01-18  2:47                                                           ` Linus Torvalds
2013-01-18  2:59                                                             ` Tejun Heo
2013-01-18  3:04                                                               ` Tejun Heo
2013-01-18  3:18                                                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2013-01-18  3:47                                                                   ` Tejun Heo
2013-01-18 22:08                                                                   ` [PATCH 1/5] workqueue: set PF_WQ_WORKER on rescuers Tejun Heo
2013-01-18 22:10                                                                   ` [PATCH 2/5] workqueue: rename kernel/workqueue_sched.h to kernel/workqueue_internal.h Tejun Heo
2013-01-18 22:11                                                                   ` [PATCH 3/5] workqueue: move struct worker definition to workqueue_internal.h Tejun Heo
2013-01-18 22:11                                                                   ` [PATCH 4/5] workqueue: implement current_is_async() Tejun Heo
2013-01-18 22:12                                                                   ` [PATCH 5/5] async, kmod: warn on synchronous request_module() from async workers Tejun Heo
2022-06-23  5:25                                                                     ` Saravana Kannan
2013-01-18  1:27                                                         ` [PATCH 3/3] " Tejun Heo
2013-01-23  0:53                                                       ` [PATCH v2 1/2] init, block: try to load default elevator module early during boot Tejun Heo
2013-01-16 21:31                                                     ` [PATCH 2/2] block: don't request module during elevator init Tejun Heo
2013-01-23  0:51                                                       ` [PATCH v2 " Tejun Heo
2013-01-16  3:30                                         ` [PATCH] module, async: async_synchronize_full() on module init iff async is used Ming Lei
2013-01-16  4:24                                         ` Rusty Russell
2013-01-16 11:36                                         ` Alex Riesen
2013-08-12  7:04                                         ` [3.8-rc3 -> 3.8-rc4 regression] " Jonathan Nieder
2013-08-12 15:09                                           ` Tejun Heo
2013-11-26 21:29                                             ` Josh Hunt
2013-11-26 21:53                                               ` Linus Torvalds
2013-11-26 22:12                                                 ` Josh Hunt
2013-11-26 22:29                                                   ` Tejun Heo
2013-12-03 14:28                                                     ` Josh Hunt
2013-12-03 15:19                                                       ` Tejun Heo
2013-12-04 23:01                                                         ` Josh Hunt
2013-12-04 23:12                                                           ` Tejun Heo
2013-11-26 22:30                                                   ` Linus Torvalds
2013-01-16  0:44                                     ` USB device cannot be reconnected and khubd "blocked for more than 120 seconds" Tejun Heo
2013-01-16 17:19                               ` [PATCH] async: fix __lowest_in_progress() Tejun Heo
2013-01-17 18:16                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2013-01-17 18:50                                   ` Tejun Heo
2013-01-23  0:15                                 ` [PATCH v2] " Tejun Heo
2013-01-23  0:22                                   ` Linus Torvalds
2013-01-16  3:05                             ` USB device cannot be reconnected and khubd "blocked for more than 120 seconds" Ming Lei
2013-01-16  4:14                               ` Linus Torvalds
2013-01-14  8:22                   ` Oliver Neukum
2013-01-14  8:40                     ` Ming Lei
2013-01-12 19:56     ` Alex Riesen

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