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From: Alan Stern <stern@rowland.harvard.edu>
To: "Rafael J. Wysocki" <rjw@rjwysocki.net>
Cc: Dave Chinner <david@fromorbit.com>, Len Brown <lenb@kernel.org>,
	Henrique de Moraes Holschuh <hmh@hmh.eng.br>,
	One Thousand Gnomes <gnomes@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk>,
	Linux PM list <linux-pm@vger.kernel.org>,
	"linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Len Brown <len.brown@intel.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 1/1] suspend: delete sys_sync()
Date: Sat, 4 Jul 2015 10:19:55 -0400 (EDT)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44L0.1507041011510.19175-100000@netrider.rowland.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1496051.AgsebokWnB@vostro.rjw.lan>

On Sat, 4 Jul 2015, Rafael J. Wysocki wrote:

> The only argument against dropping sys_sync() from the suspend code path
> I've seen in this thread that I entirely agree with is that it may lead to
> regressions, because we've done it practically forever and it may hide latent
> bugs somewhere in block drivers etc.  Dropping it, though, is the only way
> to see those bugs, if any, and if we want to ever fix them, we need to see
> them.  That's why I think that it may be a good idea to allow people to
> drop it if they are willing to accept some extra risk (via the kernel
> command line, for example).

I'd be perfectly happy to have the sync selectable at runtime, one way 
or another.  The three most reasonable options seem to be:

	kernel command line

	sysfs file

	sysctl setting

The command line is less flexible (it can't be changed after booting).  
Either of the other two would be fine with me.

> Moreover, question is if we really need to carry out the sync on *every*
> suspend even if it is not pointless overall.  That shouldn't really be
> necessary if we suspend and resume often enough or if we resume only for
> a while and then suspend again.  Maybe it should be rate limited somehow
> at least?

For example, skip the sync if the system has been awake for < 100 ms?  
The cutoff time could also be controlled by the sysfs file: -1 =>
never sync, 0 => always sync, > 0 => sync if the system has been awake 
longer than the value.

Alan Stern


  parent reply	other threads:[~2015-07-05  9:06 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 77+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2015-05-08  7:08 [PATCH 1/1] suspend: delete sys_sync() Len Brown
2015-05-08 14:34 ` Alan Stern
2015-05-08 14:34   ` Alan Stern
2015-05-08 16:36   ` Len Brown
2015-05-08 19:13     ` One Thousand Gnomes
2015-05-08 19:32       ` Len Brown
2015-05-08 19:52         ` One Thousand Gnomes
2015-05-08 20:39           ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2015-05-08 20:30         ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2015-05-09 19:59           ` Alan Stern
2015-05-09 20:25             ` Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
2015-05-11 20:34               ` Len Brown
2015-05-12  6:11                 ` Oliver Neukum
2015-06-25 17:11                 ` Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
2015-06-30 20:04                   ` Len Brown
2015-07-01 12:21                     ` Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
2015-07-02  3:07                       ` Len Brown
2015-07-03  1:42                         ` Dave Chinner
2015-07-04  1:03                           ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2015-07-04  8:50                             ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2015-07-05 23:25                               ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2015-07-04 14:19                             ` Alan Stern [this message]
2015-07-05 23:28                               ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2015-07-06 11:06                                 ` Pavel Machek
2015-07-06 13:59                                   ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2015-07-07 10:25                                     ` Pavel Machek
2015-07-07 12:22                                       ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2015-07-06  0:06                             ` Dave Chinner
2015-07-06 11:11                               ` Pavel Machek
2015-07-06 13:52                               ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2015-07-07  1:17                                 ` Dave Chinner
2015-07-07 12:14                                   ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2015-07-07 13:16                                     ` Oliver Neukum
2015-07-07 14:32                                       ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2015-07-07 14:38                                         ` Oliver Neukum
2015-07-07 15:03                                           ` Alan Stern
2015-07-07 22:20                                             ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2015-07-08 11:20                                               ` Pavel Machek
2015-07-08 14:40                                                 ` Alan Stern
2015-07-08 22:04                                                   ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2015-07-07 22:11                                           ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2015-07-08  7:51                                             ` Oliver Neukum
2015-07-08 22:03                                               ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2015-07-09  7:32                                                 ` Oliver Neukum
2015-07-09 23:22                                                   ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2015-08-04 19:54                                                     ` Pavel Machek
2015-07-08 11:17                                         ` Pavel Machek
2015-07-07 13:42                                   ` Takashi Iwai
2015-07-06 10:15                             ` Ming Lei
2015-07-06 10:03           ` Pavel Machek
2015-05-11  1:44 ` Dave Chinner
2015-05-11 20:22   ` Len Brown
2015-05-12 22:34     ` Dave Chinner
2015-05-13 23:22   ` NeilBrown
2015-05-14 23:54     ` Dave Chinner
2015-05-15  0:34       ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2015-05-15  0:40         ` Ming Lei
2015-05-15  0:59           ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2015-05-15  5:13             ` Ming Lei
2015-05-15 10:35             ` One Thousand Gnomes
2015-05-18  1:57               ` NeilBrown
     [not found]                 ` <CAJvTdKn_0EZ0ZuqO2e4+ExD8kFWcy78fse4zHr3uFZODOroXEg@mail.gmail.com>
2015-06-19  1:09                   ` Dave Chinner
2015-06-19  2:35                     ` Len Brown
2015-06-19  4:31                       ` Dave Chinner
2015-06-19  6:34                         ` Len Brown
2015-06-19 23:07                           ` Dave Chinner
2015-06-19 23:07                             ` Dave Chinner
2015-06-20  5:26                             ` Len Brown
2015-06-20  5:26                               ` Len Brown
2015-05-15  1:04       ` NeilBrown
2015-05-15 14:20         ` Alan Stern
2015-05-15 14:20           ` Alan Stern
2015-05-15 14:32           ` Alan Stern
2015-05-15 14:32             ` Alan Stern
2015-05-15 14:19       ` Alan Stern
2015-05-15 14:19         ` Alan Stern
2015-07-06 10:07   ` Pavel Machek

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