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From: Alan Stern <stern@rowland.harvard.edu>
To: Andrea Parri <parri.andrea@gmail.com>
Cc: "Paul E. McKenney" <paulmck@linux.vnet.ibm.com>,
	Akira Yokosawa <akiyks@gmail.com>,
	Kernel development list <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	<mingo@kernel.org>, Will Deacon <will.deacon@arm.com>,
	<peterz@infradead.org>, <boqun.feng@gmail.com>,
	<npiggin@gmail.com>, <dhowells@redhat.com>,
	Jade Alglave <j.alglave@ucl.ac.uk>,
	Luc Maranget <luc.maranget@inria.fr>,
	Patrick Bellasi <patrick.bellasi@arm.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] tools/memory-model: remove rb-dep, smp_read_barrier_depends, and lockless_dereference
Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2018 12:14:45 -0500 (EST)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44L0.1802191158320.1361-100000@iolanthe.rowland.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20180217151413.GA3785@andrea>

On Sat, 17 Feb 2018, Andrea Parri wrote:

> > Akira's observation about READ_ONCE extends to all (annotated) loads.  In
> > fact, it also applies to loads corresponding to unsuccessful RMW operations;
> > consider, for example, the following variation of MP+onceassign+derefonce:
> > 
> > C T
> > 
> > {
> > y=z;
> > z=0;
> > }
> > 
> > P0(int *x, int **y)
> > {
> > 	WRITE_ONCE(*x, 1);
> > 	smp_store_release(y, x);
> > }
> > 
> > P1(int **y, int *z)
> > {
> > 	int *r0;
> > 	int r1;
> > 
> > 	r0 = cmpxchg_relaxed(y, z, z);
> > 	r1 = READ_ONCE(*r0);
> > }
> > 
> > exists (1:r0=x /\ 1:r1=0)
> > 
> > The final state is allowed w/o the patch, and forbidden w/ the patch.
> > 
> > This also reminds me of
> > 
> >    5a8897cc7631fa544d079c443800f4420d1b173f
> >    ("locking/atomics/alpha: Add smp_read_barrier_depends() to _release()/_relaxed() atomics")
> > 
> > (that we probably want to mention in the commit message).
> 
> Please also notice that 5a8897cc7631f only touched alpha's atomic.h:
> I see no corresponding commit/change on {,cmp}xchg.h (where the "mb"
> is currently conditionally executed).

This leaves us with a question: Do we want to change the kernel by
adding memory barriers after unsuccessful RMW operations on Alpha, or
do we want to change the model by excluding such operations from
address dependencies?

Note that operations like atomic_add_unless() already include memory 
barriers.

Alan

  reply	other threads:[~2018-02-19 17:15 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 74+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2018-02-09 14:18 [PATCH RFC tools/lkmm] Miscellaneous fixes Paul E. McKenney
2018-02-09 14:20 ` [PATCH RFC tip/lkmm 01/10] tools/memory-model: Clarify the origin/scope of the tool name Paul E. McKenney
2018-02-09 14:20 ` [PATCH RFC tip/lkmm 02/10] MAINTAINERS: Add the Memory Consistency Model subsystem Paul E. McKenney
2018-02-09 14:20 ` [PATCH RFC tip/lkmm 03/10] MAINTAINERS: List file memory-barriers.txt within the LKMM entry Paul E. McKenney
2018-02-09 14:20 ` [PATCH RFC tip/lkmm 04/10] EXP litmus_tests: Add comments explaining tests' purposes Paul E. McKenney
2018-02-09 18:46   ` Alan Stern
2018-02-10  1:05     ` Paul E. McKenney
2018-02-09 14:20 ` [PATCH RFC tip/lkmm 05/10] README: Fix a couple of punctuation errors Paul E. McKenney
2018-02-09 14:20 ` [PATCH RFC tip/lkmm 06/10] EXP MAINTAINERS: Add the "LKMM" acronym Paul E. McKenney
2018-02-09 14:20 ` [PATCH RFC tip/lkmm 07/10] MAINTAINERS: Add Akira Yokosawa as an LKMM reviewer Paul E. McKenney
2018-02-09 14:20 ` [PATCH RFC tip/lkmm 08/10] EXP Remove understore from smp_mb__before_atomic() workings Paul E. McKenney
2018-02-15 22:30   ` Andrea Parri
2018-02-15 22:49     ` Paul E. McKenney
2018-02-15 23:19       ` Andrea Parri
2018-02-15 23:32         ` Paul E. McKenney
2018-02-09 14:20 ` [PATCH RFC tip/lkmm 09/10] EXP Remove underscore from smp_mb__after_atomic() workings Paul E. McKenney
2018-02-09 14:20 ` [PATCH RFC tip/lkmm 10/10] EXP Remove underscores from smp_mb__after_spinlock() workings Paul E. McKenney
2018-02-09 16:02 ` [PATCH RFC tools/lkmm] Miscellaneous fixes Akira Yokosawa
2018-02-09 16:06   ` [PATCH] tools/memory-model: Restore compat with herd7 7.47 ("-" -> "_") Akira Yokosawa
2018-02-09 23:46   ` [PATCH v2] tools/memory-model: Make " Akira Yokosawa
2018-02-10  1:07     ` Paul E. McKenney
2018-02-10  3:03       ` Akira Yokosawa
2018-02-11 11:51       ` Ingo Molnar
2018-02-13  1:38         ` Paul E. McKenney
2018-02-13  8:32           ` Ingo Molnar
2018-02-14 22:20       ` Akira Yokosawa
2018-02-14 22:52         ` Paul E. McKenney
2018-02-15 15:10           ` Alan Stern
2018-02-15 15:58             ` Trial of conflict resolution of Alan's patch Akira Yokosawa
2018-02-15 17:51               ` Alan Stern
2018-02-15 19:29                 ` Paul E. McKenney
2018-02-15 21:51                   ` Akira Yokosawa
2018-02-16 15:18                     ` Alan Stern
2018-02-16 15:47                       ` Andrea Parri
2018-02-16 16:53                         ` Paul E. McKenney
2018-02-16 22:22                           ` [PATCH] tools/memory-model: remove rb-dep, smp_read_barrier_depends, and lockless_dereference Alan Stern
2018-02-16 23:22                             ` Akira Yokosawa
2018-02-17  0:39                             ` Paul E. McKenney
2018-02-21 15:00                               ` Alan Stern
2018-02-21 16:06                                 ` Paul E. McKenney
2018-02-21 16:51                                   ` Ingo Molnar
2018-02-21 17:53                                     ` Paul E. McKenney
2018-02-21 17:15                                   ` [PATCH] tools/memory-model: update: " Alan Stern
2018-02-21 17:58                                     ` Andrea Parri
2018-02-21 18:14                                       ` Paul E. McKenney
2018-02-21 18:00                                     ` Paul E. McKenney
2018-02-21 22:29                                     ` Akira Yokosawa
2018-02-24  3:22                                       ` Akira Yokosawa
2018-02-24  3:30                                         ` Paul E. McKenney
2018-02-24 14:36                                           ` Andrea Parri
2018-02-24 16:49                                             ` Alan Stern
2018-02-24 18:08                                               ` Paul E. McKenney
2018-02-24 22:47                                                 ` Akira Yokosawa
2018-02-25 22:33                                                   ` Paul E. McKenney
2018-02-17  3:25                             ` [PATCH] tools/memory-model: " Andrea Parri
2018-02-17 15:14                               ` Andrea Parri
2018-02-19 17:14                                 ` Alan Stern [this message]
2018-02-19 17:43                                   ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-02-19 17:44                                   ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-02-20 14:48                                     ` Paul E. McKenney
2018-02-20 15:17                                       ` Andrea Parri
2018-02-20 16:11                                         ` Paul E. McKenney
2018-02-19 19:41                                   ` Paul E. McKenney
2018-02-19 20:28                                     ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-02-20 14:49                                       ` Paul E. McKenney
2018-02-20 15:11                                         ` Alan Stern
2018-02-20 16:10                                           ` Paul E. McKenney
2018-02-20  9:33                                   ` Andrea Parri
2018-02-20  9:51                                     ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-02-20 15:38                                     ` Alan Stern
2018-02-15 22:05                   ` Trial of conflict resolution of Alan's patch Andrea Parri
2018-02-15 22:41                     ` Paul E. McKenney
2018-02-18 15:46           ` [PATCH v2] tools/memory-model: Make compat with herd7 7.47 ("-" -> "_") Akira Yokosawa
2018-02-20 14:57             ` Paul E. McKenney

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