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From: Alan Stern <stern@rowland.harvard.edu>
To: Andrea Parri <andrea.parri@amarulasolutions.com>
Cc: LKMM Maintainers -- Akira Yokosawa <akiyks@gmail.com>,
	Boqun Feng <boqun.feng@gmail.com>,
	Daniel Lustig <dlustig@nvidia.com>,
	David Howells <dhowells@redhat.com>,
	Jade Alglave <j.alglave@ucl.ac.uk>,
	Luc Maranget <luc.maranget@inria.fr>,
	Nicholas Piggin <npiggin@gmail.com>,
	"Paul E. McKenney" <paulmck@linux.ibm.com>,
	Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
	Will Deacon <will.deacon@arm.com>,
	Dmitry Vyukov <dvyukov@google.com>,
	<linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: Plain accesses and data races in the Linux Kernel Memory Model
Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2019 10:19:10 -0500 (EST)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44L0.1901151003470.1408-100000@iolanthe.rowland.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20190115142545.GA9255@andrea>

On Tue, 15 Jan 2019, Andrea Parri wrote:

> Unless I'm mis-reading/-applying this definition, this will flag the
> following test (a variation on your "race.litmus") with "data-race":
> 
> C no-race
> 
> {}
> 
> P0(int *x, spinlock_t *s)
> {
> 	spin_lock(s);
>         WRITE_ONCE(*x, 1);	/* A */
> 	spin_unlock(s);	/* B */
> }
> 
> P1(int *x, spinlock_t *s)
> {
>         int r1;
> 
> 	spin_lock(s); /* C */
>         r1 = *x;	/* D */
> 	spin_unlock(s);
> }
> 
> exists (1:r1=1)
> 
> Broadly speaking, this is due to the fact that the modified "happens-
> before" axiom does not forbid the execution with the (MP-) cycle
> 
> 	A ->po-rel B ->rfe C ->acq-po D ->fre A
> 
> and then to the link "D ->race-from-r A" here defined.

Yes, that cycle certainly should be forbidden.  On the other hand, we
don't want to insist that C happens before D, given that D may not
happen at all.

This is a real problem.  Can we solve it by adding a modified
"happens-before" which says essentially that _if_ D is preserved _then_
C happens before D?  But then what about cycles involving more than one
possibly preserved access?  Or maybe a relation which says that D
cannot execute before C (so if D executes at all, it has to come after
C)?

Now you see why this stuff is so difficult...  At the moment, I don't
know how to fix this.

> (In part., similar considerations hold for the following litmus test:
> 
> C MP1
> 
> {}
> 
> P0(int *x, int *y)
> {
> 	*x = 1;
> 	smp_store_release(y, 1);
> }
> 
> P1(int *x, int *y)
> {
> 	int r0;
> 	int r1 = -1;
> 
> 	r0 = smp_load_acquire(y);
> 	if (r0)
> 		r1 = *x;
> }
> 
> exists (1:r0=1 /\ 1:r1=0)
> 
> )
> 
> I wonder whether you actually intended to introduce these "races"...?

No, I did not.

Alan


  reply	other threads:[~2019-01-15 15:19 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 18+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <Pine.LNX.4.44L0.1901141439480.1366-100000@iolanthe.rowland.org>
     [not found] ` <20190114235426.GV1215@linux.ibm.com>
2019-01-15  7:20   ` Plain accesses and data races in the Linux Kernel Memory Model Dmitry Vyukov
2019-01-15 15:03     ` Alan Stern
2019-01-15 15:23       ` Paul E. McKenney
2019-01-15 14:25 ` Andrea Parri
2019-01-15 15:19   ` Alan Stern [this message]
2019-01-16 11:57     ` Peter Zijlstra
2019-01-16 13:11       ` Paul E. McKenney
2019-01-16 15:49         ` Alan Stern
2019-01-16 21:36 ` Andrea Parri
2019-01-17 15:03   ` Andrea Parri
2019-01-17 20:21     ` Alan Stern
2019-01-18 15:10     ` Alan Stern
2019-01-18 15:56       ` Andrea Parri
2019-01-18 16:43         ` Alan Stern
2019-01-17 19:43   ` Alan Stern
2019-01-18 18:53     ` Paul E. McKenney
2019-01-22 15:47 ` Andrea Parri
2019-01-22 16:19   ` Alan Stern

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