From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1030450AbXAaSBk (ORCPT ); Wed, 31 Jan 2007 13:01:40 -0500 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id S1030462AbXAaSBk (ORCPT ); Wed, 31 Jan 2007 13:01:40 -0500 Received: from tmailer.gwdg.de ([134.76.10.23]:57394 "EHLO tmailer.gwdg.de" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1030450AbXAaSBj (ORCPT ); Wed, 31 Jan 2007 13:01:39 -0500 Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2007 18:56:01 +0100 (MET) From: Jan Engelhardt To: David Hollis cc: Jeff Garzik , Trent Waddington , Dave Airlie , Roland Dreier , Greg KH , linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Subject: Re: Free Linux Driver Development! In-Reply-To: <1170250461.12914.33.camel@dhollis-lnx.sunera.com> Message-ID: References: <20070130012904.GA9617@kroah.com> <20070130191020.GF20642@kroah.com> <45BFA087.6020905@garzik.org> <20070130214759.GA12477@kroah.com> <21d7e9970701301414s251b584mbee85ecd6909febf@mail.gmail.com> <3d57814d0701301424m67d22cdbg7afc0a1dab29c152@mail.gmail.com> <45BFC99A.8040805@garzik.org> <1170250461.12914.33.camel@dhollis-lnx.sunera.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Spam-Report: Content analysis: 0.0 points, 6.0 required _SUMMARY_ Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org On Jan 31 2007 08:34, David Hollis wrote: >Conversely, I've seen many cases of drivers that are developed by the >community, but kept out-of-kernel forever due to various reasons. Some >of them are due to the code quality and the developers not accepting the >feedback to get the drivers into shape to be 'kernel worthy', sometimes >it seems to be a lack of interest from the developers to merge upstream. >Maybe because they think they would lose control or something? Putting the "codingstyle" control aside, often it's because things look too hackish. Take ipt_ROUTE as an example. It won't get included, since the "proper" way to do it would be using MARK and iproute2. But many users don't get that [no criticism here], because ipt_ROUTE is so much easier. (Probably because iproute2 and other netlink-using tools, like tc, lack thorough documentation.) Jan -- ft: http://freshmeat.net/p/chaostables/