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From: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>
To: Daniel Barkalow <barkalow@iabervon.org>
Cc: Steven Grimm <koreth@midwinter.com>,
	Josef Weidendorfer <Josef.Weidendorfer@gmx.de>,
	Junio C Hamano <junkio@cox.net>,
	Martin Waitz <tali@admingilde.org>, Eric Lesh <eclesh@ucla.edu>,
	Matthieu Moy <Matthieu.Moy@imag.fr>,
	git@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: .gitlink for Summer of Code
Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2007 14:27:17 -0700 (PDT)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0703271420270.6730@woody.linux-foundation.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0703271547040.6485@iabervon.org>



On Tue, 27 Mar 2007, Daniel Barkalow wrote:
> 
> This is actually the case I'm personally interested in. But in that case, 
> you want to reverse the superproject/subproject organization, because that 
> way each project part can use the desired version of the common stuff, and 
> people can modify the common stuff without then testing the whole 
> universe.

The build infrastructure is only a small part of the superproject thing.

A much more interesting thing in many ways is the "how do the pieces fit 
together" question, ie the "which library version X do I need for program 
version Y?"

And that needs to be at the superproject level, obviously. The person who 
works on the application will want to fetch the library too, but he likely 
isn't interested in all the *other* libraries that don't affect his app, 
and he likely isn't interested in things like standard libraries (which 
may be in the superproject too, but since their versioning doesn't affect 
any normal subproject, you'd not expect application developers to have all 
of libc checked out and built, would you?).

So yes, you could have several levels: the top level for "versioning", the 
middle level for "applications and libraries" and some third level for 
"build infrastructure that can be shared". However, I've never actually 
seen any project work that way. People *always* seem to put the build 
infrastructure at either the top level, or as one of the subprojects that 
is required for all the other subprojects.

Of course, it's possible that the reason people do that is that things 
like CVS are really really bad at the versioning stuff, and since they 
aren't distributed, you cannot put the shared build infrastructure in 
multiple projects at the same time anyway.

So with a distributed environment like git, doing the shared build 
infrastructure as a separate sub-sub-project would work in ways it does 
*not* work in a centralized model, but I think we also want to just 
support the way people are used to working, and that definitely involves 
having the build infrastructure at or under the top level..

		Linus

  reply	other threads:[~2007-03-27 21:27 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 61+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2007-03-25 12:30 .gitlink for Summer of Code Eric Lesh
2007-03-25 15:20 ` Matthieu Moy
2007-03-25 20:39   ` Shawn O. Pearce
2007-03-25 20:54     ` Johannes Schindelin
2007-03-25 21:03       ` Shawn O. Pearce
2007-03-25 20:55     ` Junio C Hamano
2007-03-25 21:05       ` Shawn O. Pearce
2007-03-27  3:40       ` Petr Baudis
2007-03-26 17:16   ` Eric Lesh
2007-03-26 17:22     ` Matthieu Moy
2007-03-26 17:38       ` Eric Lesh
2007-03-26 18:35         ` Martin Waitz
2007-03-26 19:33           ` Josef Weidendorfer
2007-03-26 19:49             ` Matthieu Moy
2007-03-26 23:14               ` Josef Weidendorfer
2007-03-27 16:59                 ` Matthieu Moy
2007-03-26 22:03             ` Martin Waitz
2007-03-26 22:51               ` Junio C Hamano
2007-03-26 23:16                 ` Submodule object store Martin Waitz
2007-03-26 23:28                   ` Junio C Hamano
2007-03-26 23:36                     ` Martin Waitz
2007-03-26 23:20                       ` David Lang
2007-03-26 23:55                         ` Martin Waitz
2007-03-26 23:40                           ` David Lang
2007-03-27 15:25                             ` Martin Waitz
2007-03-27 16:53                               ` David Lang
2007-03-27  0:29                           ` Junio C Hamano
2007-03-27 14:28                             ` Martin Waitz
2007-03-27 11:25                       ` Uwe Kleine-König
2007-03-27 11:50                         ` Uwe Kleine-König
2007-03-27 15:53                           ` Martin Waitz
2007-03-27 16:56                             ` Josef Weidendorfer
2007-03-27 16:44                               ` Martin Waitz
2007-03-27 17:22                             ` Uwe Kleine-König
2007-03-27 18:41                               ` Linus Torvalds
2007-03-27 19:42                                 ` Uwe Kleine-König
2007-03-27 19:53                                   ` Linus Torvalds
2007-03-27 19:59                                     ` Linus Torvalds
2007-03-27 15:46                         ` Martin Waitz
2007-03-26 23:17                 ` .gitlink for Summer of Code Josef Weidendorfer
     [not found]                   ` <Pine.LNX.4.64.0703270952020. 6730@woody.linux-foundation.org>
2007-03-26 23:24                   ` Junio C Hamano
2007-03-27 17:04                   ` Linus Torvalds
2007-03-27 17:00                     ` David Lang
2007-03-27 18:15                       ` Linus Torvalds
2007-03-27 17:35                     ` Martin Waitz
2007-03-27 18:09                     ` Daniel Barkalow
2007-03-27 18:19                       ` Linus Torvalds
2007-03-27 20:54                         ` Daniel Barkalow
2007-03-27 21:11                           ` Linus Torvalds
2007-03-27 20:54                             ` David Lang
2007-03-27 23:31                               ` Jakub Narebski
2007-03-27 23:20                                 ` David Lang
2007-03-27 18:36                       ` Steven Grimm
2007-03-27 20:02                         ` Daniel Barkalow
2007-03-27 21:27                           ` Linus Torvalds [this message]
2007-03-26 23:00               ` Josef Weidendorfer
2007-03-26 23:27                 ` Martin Waitz
2007-03-26 17:31   ` Jakub Narebski
2007-03-26 18:21     ` Matthieu Moy
2007-03-27  0:48       ` Jakub Narebski
2007-03-25 20:46 ` Shawn O. Pearce

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