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From: Andrea Arcangeli <aarcange@redhat.com>
To: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>
Cc: Will Deacon <will@kernel.org>, Linux-MM <linux-mm@kvack.org>,
	Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Yu Zhao <yuzhao@google.com>, Andy Lutomirski <luto@kernel.org>,
	Peter Xu <peterx@redhat.com>, Pavel Emelyanov <xemul@openvz.org>,
	Mike Kravetz <mike.kravetz@oracle.com>,
	Mike Rapoport <rppt@linux.vnet.ibm.com>,
	Minchan Kim <minchan@kernel.org>,
	Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
	Hugh Dickins <hughd@google.com>,
	"Kirill A. Shutemov" <kirill.shutemov@linux.intel.com>,
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	John Hubbard <jhubbard@nvidia.com>,
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	Jason Gunthorpe <jgg@ziepe.ca>, Jan Kara <jack@suse.cz>,
	Kirill Tkhai <ktkhai@virtuozzo.com>,
	Nadav Amit <nadav.amit@gmail.com>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 2/2] mm: soft_dirty: userfaultfd: introduce wrprotect_tlb_flush_pending
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 2021 19:12:28 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <X/j07P9d1g5vMAJa@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAHk-=wjf-GwbXgDm8RDkW1ctajzDst4dp2LOZSd3+m7Ojo5vDA@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, Jan 08, 2021 at 11:25:21AM -0800, Linus Torvalds wrote:
> On Fri, Jan 8, 2021 at 9:53 AM Andrea Arcangeli <aarcange@redhat.com> wrote:
> >
> > Do you intend to eventually fix the zygote vmsplice case or not?
> > Because in current upstream it's not fixed currently using the
> > enterprise default config.
> 
> Is this the hugepage case? Neither of your patches actually touched
> that, so I've forgotten the details.

The two patches only fixed the TLB flushing deferral in clear_refs and
uffd-wp.

So I didn't actually try to fix the hugepage case by adding the
page_count checks there too. I could try to do that at least it'd be
consistent but I still would try to find an alternate solution later.

> > Irrelevant special case as in: long term GUP pin on the memory?
> 
> Irrelevant special case in that
> 
>  (a) an extra COW shouldn't be a correctness issue unless somebody
> does something horribly wrong (and obviously the code that hasn't
> taken the mmap_lock for writing are then examples of that)
> 
> and
> 
>  (b) it's not a performance issue either unless you can find a real
> load that does it.
> 
> Hmm?

For b) I don't have an hard time to imagine `ps` hanging for seconds,
if clear_refs is touched on a 4T mm, but b) is not the main
concern.

Having to rely on a) is the main concern and it's not about tlb
flushes but the long term GUP pins.

Thanks,
Andrea


  reply	other threads:[~2021-01-09  0:14 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 119+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2020-12-25  9:25 [RFC PATCH v2 0/2] mm: fix races due to deferred TLB flushes Nadav Amit
2020-12-25  9:25 ` [RFC PATCH v2 1/2] mm/userfaultfd: fix memory corruption due to writeprotect Nadav Amit
2021-01-04 12:22   ` Peter Zijlstra
2021-01-04 19:24     ` Andrea Arcangeli
2021-01-04 19:35       ` Nadav Amit
2021-01-04 20:19         ` Andrea Arcangeli
2021-01-04 20:39           ` Nadav Amit
2021-01-04 21:01             ` Andrea Arcangeli
2021-01-04 21:26               ` Nadav Amit
2021-01-05 18:45                 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2021-01-05 19:05                   ` Nadav Amit
2021-01-05 19:45                     ` Andrea Arcangeli
2021-01-05 20:06                       ` Nadav Amit
2021-01-05 21:06                         ` Andrea Arcangeli
2021-01-05 21:43                           ` Peter Xu
2021-01-05  8:13       ` Peter Zijlstra
2021-01-05  8:52         ` Nadav Amit
2021-01-05 14:26           ` Peter Zijlstra
2021-01-05  8:58       ` Peter Zijlstra
2021-01-05  9:22         ` Nadav Amit
2021-01-05 17:58         ` Andrea Arcangeli
2021-01-05 15:08   ` Peter Xu
2021-01-05 18:08     ` Andrea Arcangeli
2021-01-05 18:41       ` Peter Xu
2021-01-05 18:55         ` Andrea Arcangeli
2021-01-05 19:07     ` Nadav Amit
2021-01-05 19:43       ` Peter Xu
2020-12-25  9:25 ` [RFC PATCH v2 2/2] fs/task_mmu: acquire mmap_lock for write on soft-dirty cleanup Nadav Amit
2021-01-05 15:08   ` Will Deacon
2021-01-05 18:20   ` Andrea Arcangeli
2021-01-05 19:26     ` Nadav Amit
2021-01-05 20:39       ` Andrea Arcangeli
2021-01-05 21:20         ` Yu Zhao
2021-01-05 21:22         ` Nadav Amit
2021-01-05 22:16           ` Will Deacon
2021-01-06  0:29             ` Andrea Arcangeli
2021-01-06  0:02           ` Andrea Arcangeli
2021-01-07 20:04           ` [PATCH 0/2] page_count can't be used to decide when wp_page_copy Andrea Arcangeli
2021-01-07 20:04             ` [PATCH 1/2] mm: proc: Invalidate TLB after clearing soft-dirty page state Andrea Arcangeli
2021-01-07 20:04             ` [PATCH 2/2] mm: soft_dirty: userfaultfd: introduce wrprotect_tlb_flush_pending Andrea Arcangeli
2021-01-07 20:17               ` Linus Torvalds
2021-01-07 20:17                 ` Linus Torvalds
2021-01-07 20:25                 ` Linus Torvalds
2021-01-07 20:25                   ` Linus Torvalds
2021-01-07 20:58                 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2021-01-07 21:29                   ` Linus Torvalds
2021-01-07 21:29                     ` Linus Torvalds
2021-01-07 21:53                     ` John Hubbard
2021-01-07 22:00                       ` Linus Torvalds
2021-01-07 22:00                         ` Linus Torvalds
2021-01-07 22:14                         ` John Hubbard
2021-01-07 22:20                           ` Linus Torvalds
2021-01-07 22:20                             ` Linus Torvalds
2021-01-07 22:24                             ` Linus Torvalds
2021-01-07 22:24                               ` Linus Torvalds
2021-01-07 22:37                               ` John Hubbard
2021-01-15 11:27                       ` Jan Kara
2021-01-07 22:31                     ` Andrea Arcangeli
2021-01-07 22:42                       ` Linus Torvalds
2021-01-07 22:42                         ` Linus Torvalds
2021-01-07 22:51                         ` Linus Torvalds
2021-01-07 22:51                           ` Linus Torvalds
2021-01-07 23:48                           ` Andrea Arcangeli
2021-01-08  0:25                             ` Linus Torvalds
2021-01-08  0:25                               ` Linus Torvalds
2021-01-08 12:48                               ` Will Deacon
2021-01-08 16:14                                 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2021-01-08 17:39                                   ` Linus Torvalds
2021-01-08 17:39                                     ` Linus Torvalds
2021-01-08 17:53                                     ` Andrea Arcangeli
2021-01-08 19:25                                       ` Linus Torvalds
2021-01-08 19:25                                         ` Linus Torvalds
2021-01-09  0:12                                         ` Andrea Arcangeli [this message]
2021-01-08 17:30                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2021-01-08 17:30                                   ` Linus Torvalds
2021-01-07 23:28                         ` Andrea Arcangeli
2021-01-07 21:36               ` kernel test robot
2021-01-07 21:36                 ` kernel test robot
2021-01-07 20:25             ` [PATCH 0/2] page_count can't be used to decide when wp_page_copy Jason Gunthorpe
2021-01-07 20:32               ` Linus Torvalds
2021-01-07 20:32                 ` Linus Torvalds
2021-01-07 21:05                 ` Linus Torvalds
2021-01-07 21:05                   ` Linus Torvalds
2021-01-07 22:02                   ` Andrea Arcangeli
2021-01-07 22:17                     ` Linus Torvalds
2021-01-07 22:17                       ` Linus Torvalds
2021-01-07 22:56                       ` Andrea Arcangeli
2021-01-09 19:32                   ` Matthew Wilcox
2021-01-09 19:46                     ` Linus Torvalds
2021-01-09 19:46                       ` Linus Torvalds
2021-01-15 14:30                       ` Jan Kara
2021-01-07 21:54                 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2021-01-07 21:45               ` Andrea Arcangeli
2021-01-08 13:36                 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2021-01-08 17:00                   ` Andrea Arcangeli
2021-01-08 18:19                     ` Jason Gunthorpe
2021-01-08 18:31                       ` Andy Lutomirski
2021-01-08 18:31                         ` Andy Lutomirski
2021-01-08 18:38                         ` Linus Torvalds
2021-01-08 18:38                           ` Linus Torvalds
2021-01-08 23:34                         ` Andrea Arcangeli
2021-01-09 19:03                           ` Andy Lutomirski
2021-01-09 19:03                             ` Andy Lutomirski
2021-01-09 19:15                             ` Linus Torvalds
2021-01-09 19:15                               ` Linus Torvalds
2021-01-08 18:59                       ` Linus Torvalds
2021-01-08 18:59                         ` Linus Torvalds
2021-01-08 22:43                       ` Andrea Arcangeli
2021-01-09  0:42                         ` Jason Gunthorpe
2021-01-09  2:50                           ` Andrea Arcangeli
2021-01-11 14:30                             ` Jason Gunthorpe
2021-01-13 21:56                           ` Jerome Glisse
2021-01-13 23:39                             ` Jason Gunthorpe
2021-01-14  2:35                               ` Jerome Glisse
2021-01-09  3:49                       ` Hillf Danton
2021-01-11 14:39                         ` Jason Gunthorpe
2021-01-05 21:55         ` [RFC PATCH v2 2/2] fs/task_mmu: acquire mmap_lock for write on soft-dirty cleanup Peter Xu
2021-03-02 22:13 ` [RFC PATCH v2 0/2] mm: fix races due to deferred TLB flushes Peter Xu
2021-03-02 22:14   ` Nadav Amit

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