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From: Boqun Feng <boqun.feng@gmail.com>
To: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>
Cc: Alan Stern <stern@rowland.harvard.edu>,
	Kent Overstreet <kent.overstreet@linux.dev>,
	Kent Overstreet <kent.overstreet@gmail.com>,
	Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
	Coly Li <colyli@suse.de>,
	Tetsuo Handa <penguin-kernel@i-love.sakura.ne.jp>,
	syzkaller <syzkaller@googlegroups.com>,
	Dmitry Vyukov <dvyukov@google.com>,
	Greg Kroah-Hartman <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org>,
	"Rafael J. Wysocki" <rafael@kernel.org>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@redhat.com>,
	LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	USB list <linux-usb@vger.kernel.org>,
	Hillf Danton <hdanton@sina.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH RFC] drivers/core: Replace lockdep_set_novalidate_class() with unique class keys
Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2023 08:22:28 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <Y+u1RBMMcCkvKISZ@boqun-archlinux> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Y+tm59SmBEY1Ywq7@hirez.programming.kicks-ass.net>

On Tue, Feb 14, 2023 at 11:48:07AM +0100, Peter Zijlstra wrote:
> On Mon, Feb 13, 2023 at 05:51:11PM -0800, Boqun Feng wrote:
> > On Mon, Feb 13, 2023 at 05:29:49PM +0100, Peter Zijlstra wrote:
> > > On Mon, Feb 13, 2023 at 10:25:59AM -0500, Alan Stern wrote:
> > > > On Mon, Feb 13, 2023 at 10:24:13AM +0100, Peter Zijlstra wrote:
> > > > > On Sun, Feb 12, 2023 at 10:23:44AM -0500, Alan Stern wrote:
> > > > > > Provided it acquires the parent device's lock first, this is 
> > > > > > utterly safe no matter what order the children are locked in.  Try 
> > > > > > telling that to lockdep! 
> > > > > 
> > > > > mutex_lock_next_lock(child->lock, parent->lock) is there to express this
> > > > > exact pattern, it allows taking multiple child->lock class locks (in any
> > > > > order) provided parent->lock is held.
> > > > 
> > > > Ah, this is news to me.  Is this sort of thing documented somewhere?
> > 
> > Basically if you have two lock instances A and B with the same class,
> > and you know that locking ordering is always A -> B, then you can do
> > 
> > 	mutex_lock(A);
> > 	mutex_lock_nest_lock(B, A); // lock B.
> > 
> 
> No, this isn't quite right, You need at least 3 locks and 2 classes.
> 
> P, C1, C2
> 
> Then:
> 
> 	mutex_lock(P)
> 	mutex_lock_next_lock(C1, P)
> 	mutex_lock_next_lock(C2, P)
> 
> And it will accept any order of Cn -- since it assumes that any
> multi-lock of Cn will always hold P, therefore the ordering fully given
> by P.

Ah, right, I was missing the fact that it works with 2 classes...

But I think with only one class, the nest_lock() still works, right?
In other words, if P and Cn are the same lock class in your example.

Also seems I gave a wrong answer to Alan, just to clarify, the following
is not a deadlock to lockdep:

T1:
	mutex_lock(P)
	mutex_lock_next_lock(C1, P)
	mutex_lock_next_lock(C2, P)
	mutex_lock(B)

T2:
	mutex_lock(P)
	mutex_lock(B)
	mutex_lock_next_lock(C1, P)
	mutex_lock_next_lock(C2, P)

Because of any pair of

	mutex_lock(L);
	... // other locks maybe
	mutex_lock_nest_lock(M, L);

lockdep will not add M into the dependency graph, since it's nested and
should be serialized by L.

Regards,
Boqun

  reply	other threads:[~2023-02-14 16:23 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 78+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2023-02-04 13:32 Converting dev->mutex into dev->spinlock ? Tetsuo Handa
2023-02-04 13:47 ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2023-02-04 14:21   ` Tetsuo Handa
2023-02-04 14:34     ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2023-02-04 15:16       ` Tetsuo Handa
2023-02-04 15:34     ` Alan Stern
2023-02-04 16:12       ` Tetsuo Handa
2023-02-04 16:27         ` Alan Stern
2023-02-04 17:09           ` Tetsuo Handa
2023-02-04 20:01             ` Alan Stern
2023-02-04 20:14               ` Linus Torvalds
2023-02-05  1:23                 ` Alan Stern
2023-02-06 14:13                   ` Tetsuo Handa
2023-02-06 15:45                     ` Alan Stern
2023-02-07 13:07                       ` Tetsuo Handa
2023-02-07 17:46                         ` Alan Stern
2023-02-07 22:17                           ` Tetsuo Handa
2023-02-08  0:34                             ` Alan Stern
     [not found]                             ` <20230208080739.1649-1-hdanton@sina.com>
2023-02-08 10:30                               ` [PATCH] drivers/core: Replace lockdep_set_novalidate_class() with unique class keys Tetsuo Handa
2023-02-08 15:07                                 ` Alan Stern
2023-02-09  0:22                                   ` Tetsuo Handa
2023-02-09  0:46                                     ` Linus Torvalds
2023-02-09  1:50                                       ` Tetsuo Handa
2023-02-09  2:26                                     ` Alan Stern
2023-02-11  2:04                                       ` Tetsuo Handa
2023-02-11 21:41                                         ` [PATCH RFC] " Alan Stern
2023-02-11 21:51                                           ` Linus Torvalds
2023-02-11 23:06                                             ` Kent Overstreet
2023-02-11 23:08                                               ` Kent Overstreet
2023-02-11 23:24                                               ` Kent Overstreet
2023-02-12  2:40                                                 ` Alan Stern
2023-02-12  2:46                                                   ` Kent Overstreet
2023-02-12  3:03                                                     ` Alan Stern
2023-02-12  3:10                                                       ` Kent Overstreet
2023-02-12 15:23                                                         ` Alan Stern
2023-02-12 19:14                                                           ` Kent Overstreet
2023-02-12 20:19                                                             ` Alan Stern
2023-02-12 20:51                                                               ` Kent Overstreet
2023-02-13  1:23                                                                 ` Alan Stern
2023-02-13  2:21                                                                   ` Kent Overstreet
2023-02-13 15:25                                                                     ` Alan Stern
2023-02-13  9:29                                                                 ` Peter Zijlstra
2023-02-13  9:27                                                               ` Peter Zijlstra
2023-02-13 15:28                                                                 ` Alan Stern
2023-02-13 16:36                                                                   ` Peter Zijlstra
2023-02-13  9:24                                                           ` Peter Zijlstra
2023-02-13 15:25                                                             ` Alan Stern
2023-02-13 16:29                                                               ` Peter Zijlstra
2023-02-14  1:51                                                                 ` Boqun Feng
2023-02-14  1:53                                                                   ` Boqun Feng
2023-02-14  2:03                                                                   ` Alan Stern
2023-02-14  2:09                                                                     ` Boqun Feng
     [not found]                                                                     ` <20230214052733.3354-1-hdanton@sina.com>
2023-02-14  5:55                                                                       ` Boqun Feng
2023-02-14 10:48                                                                   ` Peter Zijlstra
2023-02-14 16:22                                                                     ` Boqun Feng [this message]
2023-02-15 10:45                                                                       ` Peter Zijlstra
2023-02-20 17:32                                                                         ` Boqun Feng
2023-02-13 18:46                                                             ` Kent Overstreet
2023-02-14 11:05                                                               ` Peter Zijlstra
2023-02-14 20:05                                                                 ` Alan Stern
2023-02-15 10:33                                                                   ` Peter Zijlstra
2023-02-14 20:16                                                                 ` Kent Overstreet
     [not found]                                               ` <20230212013220.2678-1-hdanton@sina.com>
2023-02-12  1:52                                                 ` Kent Overstreet
2023-02-13  9:49                                           ` Peter Zijlstra
2023-02-13 16:18                                             ` Alan Stern
2023-02-13 17:51                                               ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2023-02-13 18:05                                                 ` Alan Stern
2023-02-05  1:31               ` Converting dev->mutex into dev->spinlock ? Tetsuo Handa
2023-02-05 16:46                 ` Alan Stern
2023-02-06  2:56                   ` Hillf Danton
2023-02-06  4:44                     ` Matthew Wilcox
2023-02-06  5:17                     ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2023-02-06  6:43                       ` Hillf Danton
2023-02-06  6:48                         ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2023-02-04 15:12 ` Alan Stern
2023-02-04 15:30   ` Tetsuo Handa
2023-02-04 15:40     ` Alan Stern
2023-02-05  0:21       ` Hillf Danton

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