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From: Michal Hocko <mhocko@suse.com>
To: David Hildenbrand <david@redhat.com>
Cc: "Mike Rapoport" <rppt@kernel.org>,
	"Andrew Morton" <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	"Andrea Arcangeli" <aarcange@redhat.com>,
	"Baoquan He" <bhe@redhat.com>, "Borislav Petkov" <bp@alien8.de>,
	"Chris Wilson" <chris@chris-wilson.co.uk>,
	"H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>,
	"Ingo Molnar" <mingo@redhat.com>,
	"Linus Torvalds" <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
	"Łukasz Majczak" <lma@semihalf.com>,
	"Mel Gorman" <mgorman@suse.de>,
	"Mike Rapoport" <rppt@linux.ibm.com>, "Qian Cai" <cai@lca.pw>,
	"Sarvela, Tomi P" <tomi.p.sarvela@intel.com>,
	"Thomas Gleixner" <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	"Vlastimil Babka" <vbabka@suse.cz>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-mm@kvack.org,
	stable@vger.kernel.org, x86@kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH v5 1/1] mm: refactor initialization of struct page for holes in memory layout
Date: Fri, 12 Feb 2021 14:18:20 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <YCaAHI/rFp1upRLc@dhcp22.suse.cz> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <e5ce315f-64f7-75e3-b587-ad0062d5902c@redhat.com>

On Fri 12-02-21 11:42:15, David Hildenbrand wrote:
> On 12.02.21 11:33, Michal Hocko wrote:
[...]
> > I have to digest this but my first impression is that this is more heavy
> > weight than it needs to. Pfn walkers should normally obey node range at
> > least. The first pfn is usually excluded but I haven't seen real
> 
> We've seen examples where this is not sufficient. Simple example:
> 
> Have your physical memory end within a memory section. Easy via QEMU, just
> do a "-m 4000M". The remaining part of the last section has fake/wrong
> node/zone info.

Does this really matter though. If those pages are reserved then nobody
will touch them regardless of their node/zone ids.

> Hotplug memory. The node/zone gets resized such that PFN walkers might
> stumble over it.
> 
> The basic idea is to make sure that any initialized/"online" pfn belongs to
> exactly one node/zone and that the node/zone spans that PFN.

Yeah, this sounds like a good idea but what is the poper node for hole
between two ranges associated with a different nodes/zones? This will
always be a random number. We should have a clear way to tell "do not
touch those pages" and PageReserved sounds like a good way to tell that.

> > problems with that. The VM_BUG_ON blowing up is really bad but as said
> > above we can simply make it less offensive in presence of reserved pages
> > as those shouldn't reach that path AFAICS normally.
> 
> Andrea tried tried working around if via PG_reserved pages and it resulted
> in quite some ugly code. Andrea also noted that we cannot rely on any random
> page walker to do the right think when it comes to messed up node/zone info.

I am sorry, I haven't followed previous discussions. Has the removal of
the VM_BUG_ON been considered as an immediate workaround?
-- 
Michal Hocko
SUSE Labs

  reply	other threads:[~2021-02-12 13:19 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 27+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2021-02-08 11:08 [PATCH v5 1/1] mm: refactor initialization of struct page for holes in memory layout Mike Rapoport
2021-02-08 21:11 ` Andrew Morton
2021-02-08 21:25   ` Mike Rapoport
2021-02-12  9:55 ` David Hildenbrand
2021-02-12  9:56   ` David Hildenbrand
2021-02-12 10:11     ` Michal Hocko
2021-02-12 10:16       ` David Hildenbrand
2021-02-12 10:37         ` Michal Hocko
2021-02-14 17:29     ` Mike Rapoport
2021-02-15  8:45       ` David Hildenbrand
2021-02-16 11:13         ` Mike Rapoport
2021-02-12 10:33 ` Michal Hocko
2021-02-12 10:42   ` David Hildenbrand
2021-02-12 13:18     ` Michal Hocko [this message]
2021-02-14 18:00       ` Mike Rapoport
2021-02-15  9:00         ` Michal Hocko
2021-02-15  9:05           ` David Hildenbrand
2021-02-15 21:24           ` Mike Rapoport
2021-02-16  8:33             ` Michal Hocko
2021-02-16 11:01               ` Mike Rapoport
2021-02-16 11:39                 ` Michal Hocko
2021-02-16 12:34                 ` Vlastimil Babka
2021-02-16 12:59                   ` Vlastimil Babka
2021-02-16 13:11                   ` Michal Hocko
2021-02-16 16:39                     ` Vlastimil Babka
2021-02-16 17:49                       ` Mike Rapoport
2021-02-17 12:27                         ` Vlastimil Babka

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