From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.0 (2014-02-07) on aws-us-west-2-korg-lkml-1.web.codeaurora.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.2 required=3.0 tests=BAYES_00,DKIMWL_WL_HIGH, DKIM_SIGNED,DKIM_VALID,DKIM_VALID_AU,MAILING_LIST_MULTI,SPF_HELO_NONE, SPF_PASS autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.0 Received: from mail.kernel.org (mail.kernel.org [198.145.29.99]) by smtp.lore.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B48BAC433E6 for ; Wed, 17 Mar 2021 17:23:58 +0000 (UTC) Received: from vger.kernel.org (vger.kernel.org [23.128.96.18]) by mail.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 82B5E64E27 for ; Wed, 17 Mar 2021 17:23:58 +0000 (UTC) Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S231925AbhCQRX0 (ORCPT ); Wed, 17 Mar 2021 13:23:26 -0400 Received: from mail.kernel.org ([198.145.29.99]:49470 "EHLO mail.kernel.org" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S231378AbhCQRXA (ORCPT ); Wed, 17 Mar 2021 13:23:00 -0400 Received: by mail.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 210CA64E0F; Wed, 17 Mar 2021 17:22:58 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=kernel.org; s=k20201202; t=1616001779; bh=74/f/Wzopymb3TYHhkM3Uc2jmgW+8Uo0wBgVU5snhhs=; h=Date:From:To:Cc:Subject:References:In-Reply-To:From; b=qG9K6j+XqZdFmnn7p+OgtyN64Q3HOBvZ6JUF+0I38SYZyB7TB1ikUDGIvj/6bf6bS nKDfc/N0wwSZ81hNYRrZO4Rs6iiWzxsTd0R1r7AZu+otzbHNBGZC2vBGgVVulzID95 AGlWEBh5G6I0KVr5BYiyCJbtsI8e6OPhMuvLjKBjYh358T2wjAp+gUTqsym7F5iUap RsZen7di5+xf1yYlqwFXgKAc4VqmCvE7Uk5OOSAe2KQDPXHnwNQeYgKGekUVVVd6MT Znx/HnhSM/FVgDL4JPhFwWRWKa3ViwPiUl4DZ+cD2a+381kaPFG17vAXvR6TwjAAp9 ToOOCHfmxJ6og== Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2021 19:22:55 +0200 From: Leon Romanovsky To: "Hsu, Chiahao" Cc: Andrew Lunn , netdev@vger.kernel.org, wei.liu@kernel.org, paul@xen.org, davem@davemloft.net, kuba@kernel.org, xen-devel@lists.xenproject.org Subject: Re: [net-next 1/2] xen-netback: add module parameter to disable ctrl-ring Message-ID: References: <20210311225944.24198-1-andyhsu@amazon.com> <64f5c7a8-cc09-3a7f-b33b-a64d373aed60@amazon.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: <64f5c7a8-cc09-3a7f-b33b-a64d373aed60@amazon.com> Precedence: bulk List-ID: X-Mailing-List: netdev@vger.kernel.org On Tue, Mar 16, 2021 at 04:22:21PM +0100, Hsu, Chiahao wrote: > > > Leon Romanovsky 於 2021/3/14 11:04 寫道: > > CAUTION: This email originated from outside of the organization. Do not click links or open attachments unless you can confirm the sender and know the content is safe. > > > > > > > > On Fri, Mar 12, 2021 at 09:36:59PM +0100, Andrew Lunn wrote: > > > On Fri, Mar 12, 2021 at 04:18:02PM +0100, Hsu, Chiahao wrote: > > > > Andrew Lunn 於 2021/3/12 15:52 寫道: > > > > > CAUTION: This email originated from outside of the organization. Do not click links or open attachments unless you can confirm the sender and know the content is safe. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Mar 11, 2021 at 10:59:44PM +0000, ChiaHao Hsu wrote: > > > > > > In order to support live migration of guests between kernels > > > > > > that do and do not support 'feature-ctrl-ring', we add a > > > > > > module parameter that allows the feature to be disabled > > > > > > at run time, instead of using hardcode value. > > > > > > The default value is enable. > > > > > Hi ChiaHao > > > > > > > > > > There is a general dislike for module parameters. What other mechanisms > > > > > have you looked at? Would an ethtool private flag work? > > > > > > > > > > Andrew > > > > > > > > Hi Andrew, > > > > > > > > I can survey other mechanisms, however before I start doing that, > > > > > > > > could you share more details about what the problem is with using module > > > > parameters? thanks. > > > It is not very user friendly. No two kernel modules use the same > > > module parameters. Often you see the same name, but different > > > meaning. There is poor documentation, you often need to read the > > > kernel sources it figure out what it does, etc. > > +1, It is also global parameter to whole system/devices that use this > > module, which is rarely what users want. > > > > Thanks > > Hi, > I think I would say the current implementation(modparams) isappropriate > after reviewing it again. > > We are talking about 'feature leveling', a way to support live migrationof > guest > between kernels that do and do not support the features. So we want to > refrain > fromadding the features if guest would be migrated to the kernel which does > not support the feature. Everythingshould be done (in probe function) before > frontend connects, and this is why ethtool is not appropriate for this. It wouldn't be a surprise to you that feature discovery is not supposed to be done through module parameters. Instead of asking from user to randomly disable some feature, the system is expected to be backward compatible and robust enough to query the list of supported/needed features. Thanks > > Thanks > >