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From: Brian Foster <bfoster@redhat.com>
To: Dave Chinner <david@fromorbit.com>
Cc: "Darrick J. Wong" <djwong@kernel.org>, linux-xfs@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH 3/3] xfs: don't let background reclaim forget sick inodes
Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2021 08:31:49 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <YLjLtfDLw89A0gbS@bfoster> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20210603044242.GQ664593@dread.disaster.area>

On Thu, Jun 03, 2021 at 02:42:42PM +1000, Dave Chinner wrote:
> On Wed, Jun 02, 2021 at 08:12:52PM -0700, Darrick J. Wong wrote:
> > From: Darrick J. Wong <djwong@kernel.org>
> > 
> > It's important that the filesystem retain its memory of sick inodes for
> > a little while after problems are found so that reports can be collected
> > about what was wrong.  Don't let background inode reclamation free sick
> > inodes unless we're under memory pressure.
> > 
> > Signed-off-by: Darrick J. Wong <djwong@kernel.org>
> > ---
> >  fs/xfs/xfs_icache.c |   21 +++++++++++++++++----
> >  1 file changed, 17 insertions(+), 4 deletions(-)
> > 
> > 
> > diff --git a/fs/xfs/xfs_icache.c b/fs/xfs/xfs_icache.c
> > index 0e2b6c05e604..54285d1ad574 100644
> > --- a/fs/xfs/xfs_icache.c
> > +++ b/fs/xfs/xfs_icache.c
> > @@ -911,7 +911,8 @@ xfs_dqrele_all_inodes(
> >   */
> >  static bool
> >  xfs_reclaim_igrab(
> > -	struct xfs_inode	*ip)
> > +	struct xfs_inode	*ip,
> > +	struct xfs_eofblocks	*eofb)
> >  {
> >  	ASSERT(rcu_read_lock_held());
> >  
> > @@ -922,6 +923,17 @@ xfs_reclaim_igrab(
> >  		spin_unlock(&ip->i_flags_lock);
> >  		return false;
> >  	}
> > +
> > +	/*
> > +	 * Don't reclaim a sick inode unless we're under memory pressure or the
> > +	 * filesystem is unmounting.
> > +	 */
> > +	if (ip->i_sick && eofb == NULL &&
> > +	    !(ip->i_mount->m_flags & XFS_MOUNT_UNMOUNTING)) {
> > +		spin_unlock(&ip->i_flags_lock);
> > +		return false;
> > +	}
> 
> Using the "eofb == NULL" as a proxy for being under memory pressure
> is ... a bit obtuse. If we've got a handful of sick inodes, then
> there is no problem with just leaving the in memory regardless of
> memory pressure. If we've got lots of sick inodes, we're likely to
> end up in a shutdown state or be unmounted for checking real soon.
> 

Agreed.. it would be nice to see more explicit logic here. Using the
existence or not of an optional parameter meant to provide various
controls is quite fragile.

> I'd just leave sick inodes around until unmount or shutdown occurs;
> lots of sick inodes means repair is necessary right now, so
> shutdown+unmount is the right solution here, not memory reclaim....
> 

That seems like a dependency on a loose correlation and rather
dangerous.. we're either assuming action on behalf of a user before the
built up state becomes a broader problem for the system or that somehow
a cascade of in-core inode problems is going to lead to a shutdown. I
don't think that is a guarantee, or even necessarily likely. I think if
we were to do something like pin sick inodes in memory indefinitely, as
you've pointed out in the past for other such things, we should at least
consider breakdown conditions and potential for unbound behavior.

IOW, if scrub decides it wants to pin sick inodes until shutdown, it
should probably implement some kind of worst case threshold where it
actually initiates shutdown based on broad health state. If we can't
reasonably define something like that, then to me that is a pretty clear
indication that an indefinite pinning strategy is probably too fragile.
OTOH, perhaps scrub has enough knowledge to implement some kind of
policy where a sick object is pinned until we know the state has been
queried at least once, then reclaim can have it? I guess we still may
want to be careful about things like how many sick objects a single
scrub scan can produce before there's an opportunity for userspace to
query status; it's not clear to me how much of an issue that might be..

In any event, this all seems moderately more involved to get right vs
what the current patch proposes. I think this patch is a reasonable step
if we can clean up the logic a bit. Perhaps define a flag that contexts
can use to explicitly reclaim or skip unhealthy inodes?

Brian

> Cheers,
> 
> Dave.
> -- 
> Dave Chinner
> david@fromorbit.com
> 


  reply	other threads:[~2021-06-03 12:31 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 15+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2021-06-03  3:12 [PATCHSET v2 0/3] xfs: preserve inode health reports for longer Darrick J. Wong
2021-06-03  3:12 ` [PATCH 1/3] xfs: only reset incore inode health state flags when reclaiming an inode Darrick J. Wong
2021-06-03  4:21   ` Dave Chinner
2021-06-03 20:41     ` Darrick J. Wong
2021-06-03 12:22   ` Brian Foster
2021-06-03 20:41     ` Darrick J. Wong
2021-06-03  3:12 ` [PATCH 2/3] xfs: drop IDONTCACHE on inodes when we mark them sick Darrick J. Wong
2021-06-03  4:34   ` Dave Chinner
2021-06-03 20:49     ` Darrick J. Wong
2021-06-03 12:23   ` Brian Foster
2021-06-03 20:48     ` Darrick J. Wong
2021-06-03  3:12 ` [PATCH 3/3] xfs: don't let background reclaim forget sick inodes Darrick J. Wong
2021-06-03  4:42   ` Dave Chinner
2021-06-03 12:31     ` Brian Foster [this message]
2021-06-03 21:30       ` Darrick J. Wong

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