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From: "Daniel P. Berrangé" <berrange@redhat.com>
To: Hanna Reitz <hreitz@redhat.com>
Cc: Emanuele Giuseppe Esposito <eesposit@redhat.com>,
	Kevin Wolf <kwolf@redhat.com>,
	Vladimir Sementsov-Ogievskiy <vsementsov@virtuozzo.com>,
	Eduardo Habkost <ehabkost@redhat.com>,
	qemu-block@nongnu.org, Juan Quintela <quintela@redhat.com>,
	qemu-devel@nongnu.org, Eric Blake <eblake@redhat.com>,
	Richard Henderson <richard.henderson@linaro.org>,
	Markus Armbruster <armbru@redhat.com>,
	"Dr. David Alan Gilbert" <dgilbert@redhat.com>,
	Stefan Hajnoczi <stefanha@redhat.com>,
	Paolo Bonzini <pbonzini@redhat.com>, Fam Zheng <fam@euphon.net>,
	John Snow <jsnow@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v4 00/25] block layer: split block APIs in global state and I/O
Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2021 16:11:15 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <YZKGo1ZwkaE+zNRT@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <93821bd8-2ac0-a19e-7029-900e6a6d9be1@redhat.com>

On Mon, Nov 15, 2021 at 05:03:28PM +0100, Hanna Reitz wrote:
> On 25.10.21 12:17, Emanuele Giuseppe Esposito wrote:
> > Currently, block layer APIs like block-backend.h contain a mix of
> > functions that are either running in the main loop and under the
> > BQL, or are thread-safe functions and run in iothreads performing I/O.
> > The functions running under BQL also take care of modifying the
> > block graph, by using drain and/or aio_context_acquire/release.
> > This makes it very confusing to understand where each function
> > runs, and what assumptions it provided with regards to thread
> > safety.
> > 
> > We call the functions running under BQL "global state (GS) API", and
> > distinguish them from the thread-safe "I/O API".
> > 
> > The aim of this series is to split the relevant block headers in
> > global state and I/O sub-headers.
> 
> Despite leaving quite some comments, the series and the split seem
> reasonable to me overall.  (This is a pretty big series, after all, so those
> “some comments” stack up against a majority of changes that seem OK to me.
> :))
> 
> One thing I noticed while reviewing is that it’s really hard to verify that
> no I/O function calls a GS function.  What would be wonderful is some
> function marker like coroutine_fn that marks GS functions (or I/O functions)
> and that we could then verify the call paths.  But AFAIU we’ve always wanted
> precisely that for coroutine_fn and still don’t have it, so this seems like
> extremely wishful thinking... :(

Even if we don't programmatically verify these rules, it would be a major
step forward if we simply adopted a standard naming convention for the
APIs that was essentally self-describing. eg block_io_XXX for all I/O
stuff and block_state_XXXX for all global state ,and block_common if
we have stuff applicable to both use cases.

I wouldn't suggest doing it as part of this series, but I think it'd
be worthwhile in general for the medium-long term, despite the code
churn in updating all usage in the short term.


Regards,
Daniel
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  reply	other threads:[~2021-11-15 16:13 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 86+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2021-10-25 10:17 [PATCH v4 00/25] block layer: split block APIs in global state and I/O Emanuele Giuseppe Esposito
2021-10-25 10:17 ` [PATCH v4 01/25] main-loop.h: introduce qemu_in_main_thread() Emanuele Giuseppe Esposito
2021-10-25 11:33   ` Philippe Mathieu-Daudé
2021-10-25 10:17 ` [PATCH v4 02/25] include/block/block: split header into I/O and global state API Emanuele Giuseppe Esposito
2021-10-25 11:37   ` Philippe Mathieu-Daudé
2021-10-25 12:22     ` Emanuele Giuseppe Esposito
2021-11-11 15:00   ` Hanna Reitz
2021-11-15 12:08     ` Emanuele Giuseppe Esposito
2021-11-12 12:25   ` Hanna Reitz
2021-11-16 14:00     ` Emanuele Giuseppe Esposito
2021-10-25 10:17 ` [PATCH v4 03/25] assertions for block " Emanuele Giuseppe Esposito
2021-11-11 16:32   ` Hanna Reitz
2021-11-15 12:27     ` Emanuele Giuseppe Esposito
2021-11-15 15:27       ` Hanna Reitz
2021-11-12 11:31   ` Hanna Reitz
2021-10-25 10:17 ` [PATCH v4 04/25] include/sysemu/block-backend: split header into I/O and global state (GS) API Emanuele Giuseppe Esposito
2021-11-12 10:23   ` Hanna Reitz
2021-11-16 10:16     ` Emanuele Giuseppe Esposito
2021-11-12 12:30   ` Hanna Reitz
2021-11-16 14:24     ` Emanuele Giuseppe Esposito
2021-11-16 15:07       ` Hanna Reitz
2021-10-25 10:17 ` [PATCH v4 05/25] block/block-backend.c: assertions for block-backend Emanuele Giuseppe Esposito
2021-11-12 11:01   ` Hanna Reitz
2021-11-16 10:15     ` Emanuele Giuseppe Esposito
2021-11-16 12:29       ` Hanna Reitz
2021-10-25 10:17 ` [PATCH v4 06/25] include/block/block_int: split header into I/O and global state API Emanuele Giuseppe Esposito
2021-11-12 12:17   ` Hanna Reitz
2021-11-16 10:24     ` Emanuele Giuseppe Esposito
2021-11-16 12:30       ` Hanna Reitz
2021-10-25 10:17 ` [PATCH v4 07/25] assertions for block_int " Emanuele Giuseppe Esposito
2021-11-12 13:51   ` Hanna Reitz
2021-11-16 15:43     ` Emanuele Giuseppe Esposito
2021-11-16 16:46       ` Hanna Reitz
2021-10-25 10:17 ` [PATCH v4 08/25] block: introduce assert_bdrv_graph_writable Emanuele Giuseppe Esposito
2021-11-12 14:40   ` Hanna Reitz
2021-11-18  9:55     ` Emanuele Giuseppe Esposito
2021-11-18 10:24       ` Emanuele Giuseppe Esposito
2021-11-18 15:17       ` Hanna Reitz
2021-11-19  8:55         ` Emanuele Giuseppe Esposito
2021-10-25 10:17 ` [PATCH v4 09/25] include/block/blockjob_int.h: split header into I/O and GS API Emanuele Giuseppe Esposito
2021-10-25 10:17 ` [PATCH v4 10/25] assertions for blockjob_int.h Emanuele Giuseppe Esposito
2021-11-12 15:17   ` Hanna Reitz
2021-10-25 10:17 ` [PATCH v4 11/25] include/block/blockjob.h: global state API Emanuele Giuseppe Esposito
2021-10-25 10:17 ` [PATCH v4 12/25] assertions for blockob.h " Emanuele Giuseppe Esposito
2021-11-12 15:26   ` Hanna Reitz
2021-10-25 10:17 ` [PATCH v4 13/25] include/sysemu/blockdev.h: move drive_add and inline drive_def Emanuele Giuseppe Esposito
2021-11-12 15:41   ` Hanna Reitz
2021-10-25 10:17 ` [PATCH v4 14/25] include/systemu/blockdev.h: global state API Emanuele Giuseppe Esposito
2021-10-28 15:48   ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2021-11-12 15:46   ` Hanna Reitz
2021-10-25 10:17 ` [PATCH v4 15/25] assertions for blockdev.h " Emanuele Giuseppe Esposito
2021-10-25 10:17 ` [PATCH v4 16/25] include/block/snapshot: global state API + assertions Emanuele Giuseppe Esposito
2021-10-25 10:17 ` [PATCH v4 17/25] block/copy-before-write.h: " Emanuele Giuseppe Esposito
2021-10-25 10:17 ` [PATCH v4 18/25] block/coroutines: I/O API Emanuele Giuseppe Esposito
2021-10-25 10:17 ` [PATCH v4 19/25] block_int-common.h: split function pointers in BlockDriver Emanuele Giuseppe Esposito
2021-11-15 12:00   ` Hanna Reitz
2021-11-18 12:42     ` Emanuele Giuseppe Esposito
2021-10-25 10:17 ` [PATCH v4 20/25] block_int-common.h: assertion in the callers of BlockDriver function pointers Emanuele Giuseppe Esposito
2021-11-15 12:48   ` Hanna Reitz
2021-11-15 14:15     ` Hanna Reitz
2021-11-17 11:33     ` Emanuele Giuseppe Esposito
2021-11-17 12:51       ` Hanna Reitz
2021-11-17 13:09         ` Emanuele Giuseppe Esposito
2021-11-17 13:34           ` Hanna Reitz
2021-10-25 10:17 ` [PATCH v4 21/25] block_int-common.h: split function pointers in BdrvChildClass Emanuele Giuseppe Esposito
2021-11-15 14:36   ` Hanna Reitz
2021-10-25 10:17 ` [PATCH v4 22/25] block_int-common.h: assertions in the callers of BdrvChildClass function pointers Emanuele Giuseppe Esposito
2021-11-15 14:48   ` Hanna Reitz
2021-10-25 10:17 ` [PATCH v4 23/25] block-backend-common.h: split function pointers in BlockDevOps Emanuele Giuseppe Esposito
2021-10-25 14:10   ` Philippe Mathieu-Daudé
2021-10-25 10:17 ` [PATCH v4 24/25] job.h: split function pointers in JobDriver Emanuele Giuseppe Esposito
2021-11-15 15:11   ` Hanna Reitz
2021-11-17 13:43     ` Emanuele Giuseppe Esposito
2021-11-17 13:44       ` Hanna Reitz
2021-10-25 10:17 ` [PATCH v4 25/25] job.h: assertions in the callers of JobDriver funcion pointers Emanuele Giuseppe Esposito
2021-10-25 14:09 ` [PATCH v4 00/25] block layer: split block APIs in global state and I/O Philippe Mathieu-Daudé
2021-10-28 15:45   ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2021-10-28 15:49 ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2021-11-15 16:03 ` Hanna Reitz
2021-11-15 16:11   ` Daniel P. Berrangé [this message]
2021-11-18 13:50   ` Paolo Bonzini
2021-11-18 15:31     ` Hanna Reitz
2021-11-19  3:13       ` Paolo Bonzini
2021-11-19 10:42         ` Emanuele Giuseppe Esposito
2021-11-18 14:04   ` Paolo Bonzini
2021-11-18 15:22     ` Hanna Reitz

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