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From: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>
To: Peter Oskolkov <posk@posk.io>
Cc: Ingo Molnar <mingo@redhat.com>,
	Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Dave Hansen <dave.hansen@linux.intel.com>,
	Andy Lutomirski <luto@kernel.org>,
	Linux Memory Management List <linux-mm@kvack.org>,
	Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	linux-api@vger.kernel.org, Paul Turner <pjt@google.com>,
	Ben Segall <bsegall@google.com>, Peter Oskolkov <posk@google.com>,
	Andrei Vagin <avagin@google.com>, Jann Horn <jannh@google.com>,
	Thierry Delisle <tdelisle@uwaterloo.ca>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v0.9.1 3/6] sched/umcg: implement UMCG syscalls
Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2021 12:47:23 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <Ya34S2JCQg+81h4t@hirez.programming.kicks-ass.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAFTs51UzR=m6+vcjTCNOGwGu3ZwB5GMrg+cSQy2ecvCWxhZvEQ@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, Nov 29, 2021 at 09:34:49AM -0800, Peter Oskolkov wrote:
> On Mon, Nov 29, 2021 at 8:41 AM Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org> wrote:

> > Also, timeout on sys_umcg_wait() gets you the exact same situation (or
> > worse, multiple running workers).
> 
> It should not. Timed out workers should be added to the runnable list
> and not become running unless a server chooses so. So sys_umcg_wait()
> with a timeout should behave similarly to a normal sleep, in that the
> server is woken upon the worker blocking, and upon the worker wakeup
> the worker is added to the woken workers list and waits for a server
> to run it. The only difference is that in a sleep the worker becomes
> BLOCKED, while in sys_umcg_wait() the worker is RUNNABLE the whole
> time.
> 
> Why then have sys_umcg_wait() with a timeout at all, instead of
> calling nanosleep()? Because the worker in sys_umcg_wait() can be
> context-switched into by another worker, or made running by a server;
> if the worker is in nanosleep(), it just sleeps.

I've been trying to figure out the semantics of that timeout thing, and
I can't seem to make sense of it.

Consider two workers:

	S0 running A				S1 running B

therefore:

	S0::state == RUNNABLE			S1::state == RUNNABLE
	A::server_tid == S0.tid			B::server_tid = S1.tid
	A::state == RUNNING			B::state == RUNNING

Doing:

	self->state = RUNNABLE;			self->state = RUNNABLE;
	sys_umcg_wait(0);			sys_umcg_wait(10);
	  umcg_enqueue_runnable()		  umcg_enqueue_runnable()
	  umcg_wake()				  umcg_wake()
	  umcg_wait()				  umcg_wait()
						    hrtimer_start()

In both cases we get the exact same outcome:

	A::state == RUNNABLE			B::state == RUNNABLE
	S0::state == RUNNING			S1::state == RUNNING
	S0::runnable_ptr == &A			S1::runnable_ptr = &B


Which is, AFAICT, the exact state you wanted to achieve, except B now
has an active timer, but what do you want it to do when that goes?

I'm tempted to say workers cannot have timeout, and servers can use it
to wake themselves.

  parent reply	other threads:[~2021-12-06 11:47 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 45+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2021-11-22 21:13 [PATCH v0.9.1 0/6] sched,mm,x86/uaccess: implement User Managed Concurrency Groups Peter Oskolkov
2021-11-22 21:13 ` [PATCH v0.9.1 1/6] sched/umcg: add WF_CURRENT_CPU and externise ttwu Peter Oskolkov
2021-11-22 21:13 ` [PATCH v0.9.1 2/6] mm, x86/uaccess: add userspace atomic helpers Peter Oskolkov
2021-11-24 14:31   ` Peter Zijlstra
2021-11-22 21:13 ` [PATCH v0.9.1 3/6] sched/umcg: implement UMCG syscalls Peter Oskolkov
2021-11-24 18:36   ` kernel test robot
2021-11-24 18:36     ` kernel test robot
2021-11-24 20:08   ` Peter Zijlstra
2021-11-24 21:32     ` Peter Zijlstra
2021-11-25 17:28     ` Peter Oskolkov
2021-11-26 17:09       ` Peter Zijlstra
2021-11-26 21:08         ` Thomas Gleixner
2021-11-26 21:59           ` Peter Zijlstra
2021-11-26 22:07             ` Peter Zijlstra
2021-11-27  0:45             ` Thomas Gleixner
2021-11-29 15:05               ` Peter Zijlstra
2021-11-26 22:16         ` Peter Zijlstra
2021-11-27  1:16           ` Thomas Gleixner
2021-11-29 15:07             ` Peter Zijlstra
2021-11-29  0:29         ` Peter Oskolkov
2021-11-29 16:41           ` Peter Zijlstra
2021-11-29 17:34             ` Peter Oskolkov
2021-11-29 21:08               ` Peter Zijlstra
2021-11-29 21:29                 ` Peter Zijlstra
2021-11-29 23:38                 ` Peter Oskolkov
2021-12-06 11:32                   ` Peter Zijlstra
2021-12-06 12:04                     ` Peter Zijlstra
2021-12-13 13:55                     ` Peter Zijlstra
2021-12-06 11:47               ` Peter Zijlstra [this message]
2022-01-19 17:26                 ` Peter Oskolkov
2022-01-20 11:07                   ` Peter Zijlstra
2021-11-24 21:19   ` Peter Zijlstra
2021-11-26 21:11     ` Thomas Gleixner
2021-11-26 21:52       ` Peter Zijlstra
2021-11-29 22:07         ` Thomas Gleixner
2021-11-29 22:22           ` Peter Zijlstra
2021-11-24 21:41   ` Peter Zijlstra
2021-11-24 21:58   ` Peter Zijlstra
2021-11-24 22:18   ` Peter Zijlstra
2021-11-22 21:13 ` [PATCH v0.9.1 4/6] sched/umcg, lib/umcg: implement libumcg Peter Oskolkov
2021-11-22 21:13 ` [PATCH v0.9.1 5/6] sched/umcg: add Documentation/userspace-api/umcg.txt Peter Oskolkov
2021-11-22 21:13 ` [PATCH v0.9.1 6/6] sched/umcg, lib/umcg: add tools/lib/umcg/libumcg.txt Peter Oskolkov
2021-11-24 14:06 ` [PATCH v0.9.1 0/6] sched,mm,x86/uaccess: implement User Managed Concurrency Groups Peter Zijlstra
2021-11-24 16:28   ` Peter Oskolkov
2021-11-24 17:20     ` Peter Zijlstra

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