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From: "Daniel P. Berrangé" <berrange@redhat.com>
To: Paolo Bonzini <pbonzini@redhat.com>
Cc: "Damien Hedde" <damien.hedde@greensocs.com>,
	"Mark Burton" <mark.burton@greensocs.com>,
	"Markus Armbruster" <armbru@redhat.com>,
	qemu-devel@nongnu.org,
	"Mirela Grujic" <mirela.grujic@greensocs.com>,
	"Edgar E. Iglesias" <edgar.iglesias@gmail.com>,
	"Marc-André Lureau" <marcandre.lureau@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: Redesign of QEMU startup & initial configuration
Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2021 18:07:40 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <YbeL7EjoTtrUrGa2@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <16cd5683-4f97-d24c-dd19-24febcab7ba8@redhat.com>

On Mon, Dec 13, 2021 at 06:37:44PM +0100, Paolo Bonzini wrote:
> On 12/13/21 16:28, Markus Armbruster wrote:
> > Would you object to me expanding the CLI here to the point where I think
> > we can deprecate the old binary?
> > 
> > If yes, why?
> 
> Yes, for two reasons.
> 
> First, because there will be usually differences between the command lines
> as mentioned elsewhere in the thread.  qemu-system-* is a good name, but one
> that is already taken by 15 years of docs using the existing command line.

T

Lets pick naming to make it clearer who/what each binary is targetted
towards. e.g.

  - /usr/bin/qemu-buildvm-$TARGET   for the low level binary that just
    speaks QMP on stdio / passed in pre-opened socket, targetted
    at mgmt apps and needs a series of commands to build a VM up
    from scratch

  - /usr/bin/qemu (or /usr/bin/qemu-vm) - for a high level binary that
    targets humans and uses a templating system to expose a friendly
    simple config, that internally invokes whichever target specific
    /usr/bin/qemu-buildvm-$TARGET is implied, plus any other vhost-user
    backends, or whatever other helper processes it needs

> Second, because a command line is really hard to get right as complexity
> increases.  QMP is the way to go to get as clean as possible a configuration
> mechanism.  There *will* be a second set of warts layered on top of the
> above code, and I don't want that.

Turning the high level / short config into a general purpose templating
problem, strictly separated from the low level binary using QMP, means
gives us a more flexible way to live with the warts IMHO.

Regards,
Daniel
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  reply	other threads:[~2021-12-13 18:09 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 68+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2021-12-02  6:57 Redesign of QEMU startup & initial configuration Markus Armbruster
2021-12-09 19:11 ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2021-12-09 20:01   ` Mark Burton
2021-12-09 20:28     ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2021-12-10  8:34   ` Paolo Bonzini
2021-12-10 11:25     ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2021-12-10 14:15       ` Mark Burton
2021-12-10 14:26         ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2021-12-10 14:42           ` Mark Burton
2021-12-10 15:13       ` Paolo Bonzini
2021-12-10 15:26     ` Markus Armbruster
2021-12-10 15:39       ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2021-12-13 15:19         ` Markus Armbruster
2021-12-13 17:30           ` Paolo Bonzini
2021-12-13 17:59             ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2021-12-13 20:22               ` Mark Burton
2021-12-14 13:05                 ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2021-12-14 13:11                   ` Mark Burton
2021-12-14 13:21                     ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2021-12-14 13:36                       ` Mark Burton
2021-12-14 13:48                         ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2021-12-14 14:42                           ` Mark Burton
2021-12-14 14:56                             ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2021-12-14 15:12                               ` Markus Armbruster
2021-12-14 15:14                                 ` Mark Burton
2021-12-10 13:54   ` Markus Armbruster
2021-12-10 15:38     ` Paolo Bonzini
2021-12-13 15:28       ` Markus Armbruster
2021-12-13 17:37         ` Paolo Bonzini
2021-12-13 18:07           ` Daniel P. Berrangé [this message]
2021-12-13 18:37             ` Paolo Bonzini
2021-12-13 18:53               ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2021-12-14  7:09                 ` Meeting today? Mark Burton
2021-12-14 11:37                   ` Markus Armbruster
2021-12-14 11:39                     ` Mark Burton
2021-12-14 12:49                     ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2021-12-14 14:49                       ` Markus Armbruster
2022-01-04  9:29                         ` Edgar E. Iglesias
2022-01-06 11:21                           ` "Startup" meeting (was Re: Meeting today?) Mark Burton
2022-01-06 11:23                             ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2022-01-11 10:20                               ` Philippe Mathieu-Daudé
2022-01-11 10:22                                 ` Mark Burton
2022-01-17 17:13                                   ` Kevin Wolf
2022-01-17 19:02                                     ` Markus Armbruster
2022-01-23 20:49                                     ` Mark Burton
2022-01-25  8:50                                       ` Juan Quintela
2022-01-25 10:45                                         ` Philippe Mathieu-Daudé via
2022-01-25 10:58                                           ` Juan Quintela
2022-02-08 11:52                                             ` Mark Burton
2022-02-08 12:35                                               ` Juan Quintela
2022-01-11 10:28                                 ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2021-12-15 18:46                 ` Redesign of QEMU startup & initial configuration Paolo Bonzini
2021-12-15 18:50                   ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2021-12-14 11:48           ` Markus Armbruster
2021-12-14 13:00             ` Mark Burton
2021-12-14 14:54               ` Markus Armbruster
2021-12-15 20:00             ` Paolo Bonzini
2021-12-15 20:14               ` Mark Burton
2021-12-16 10:24               ` Markus Armbruster
2021-12-16 15:28                 ` Paolo Bonzini
2021-12-16 15:40                   ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2021-12-16 16:00                     ` Mark Burton
2021-12-16 16:15                       ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2021-12-16 16:27                         ` Mark Burton
2021-12-13 10:51     ` Damien Hedde
2021-12-13 15:47       ` Markus Armbruster
2022-01-04 12:40 ` Richard W.M. Jones
2022-01-13 16:10   ` Markus Armbruster

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