From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.0 (2014-02-07) on aws-us-west-2-korg-lkml-1.web.codeaurora.org Received: from vger.kernel.org (vger.kernel.org [23.128.96.18]) by smtp.lore.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 32168C433FE for ; Tue, 4 Jan 2022 16:19:37 +0000 (UTC) Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S235220AbiADQTg (ORCPT ); Tue, 4 Jan 2022 11:19:36 -0500 Received: from mga03.intel.com ([134.134.136.65]:64173 "EHLO mga03.intel.com" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S229956AbiADQTf (ORCPT ); Tue, 4 Jan 2022 11:19:35 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=intel.com; i=@intel.com; q=dns/txt; s=Intel; t=1641313175; x=1672849175; h=date:from:to:cc:subject:message-id:references: mime-version:in-reply-to; bh=9cYKoIOc9MOqqEbpXJd7uYlTuY1MUgX4CIdWto2c7jc=; b=Ty2QYcmPtSliliWbzMq3NA3ajMtEStlrwfAEXtEhepyWVb7/aT0B2VeM FjUG2DhrvnpyvpIEKjwsTTl6ggmo0lM3CckkxsGiOwF5Lp11UUEGDdQel 5nE9Zoe891D5hPfl5NSapODGuHaRSmuNbf8TdxeASEFLNA1DnEc+YSqdb kxdo3JUzr+EmDf2M5wtRMPE4MVarAjSAHfiTeu7vBkEEfgegSsKbneT0e e1309wkh+hPtCi0wpQ8/Vd9nzTHV4UlcR9DzlGHcrSQ+4poO06cu1Q17N pqLeYhQC/o2WyYj9tQgMz8HUL3T3MhJwIsF8e2yJc4AIXLefc2Puc9yK9 Q==; X-IronPort-AV: E=McAfee;i="6200,9189,10216"; a="242208596" X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="5.88,261,1635231600"; d="scan'208";a="242208596" Received: from orsmga002.jf.intel.com ([10.7.209.21]) by orsmga103.jf.intel.com with ESMTP/TLS/ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384; 04 Jan 2022 08:19:34 -0800 X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="5.88,261,1635231600"; d="scan'208";a="488242337" Received: from smile.fi.intel.com ([10.237.72.61]) by orsmga002-auth.jf.intel.com with ESMTP/TLS/ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384; 04 Jan 2022 08:19:31 -0800 Received: from andy by smile.fi.intel.com with local (Exim 4.95) (envelope-from ) id 1n4mVp-006H9Y-45; Tue, 04 Jan 2022 18:18:13 +0200 Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2022 18:18:12 +0200 From: Andy Shevchenko To: Ingo Molnar Cc: Linus Torvalds , linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-arch@vger.kernel.org, Andrew Morton , Peter Zijlstra , Thomas Gleixner , Greg Kroah-Hartman , "David S. Miller" , Ard Biesheuvel , Josh Poimboeuf , Jonathan Corbet , Al Viro Subject: Re: [PATCH 0000/2297] [ANNOUNCE, RFC] "Fast Kernel Headers" Tree -v1: Eliminate the Linux kernel's "Dependency Hell" Message-ID: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: Organization: Intel Finland Oy - BIC 0357606-4 - Westendinkatu 7, 02160 Espoo Precedence: bulk List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org On Sun, Jan 02, 2022 at 10:57:35PM +0100, Ingo Molnar wrote: > > I'm pleased to announce the first public version of my new "Fast Kernel > Headers" project that I've been working on since late 2020, which is a > comprehensive rework of the Linux kernel's header hierarchy & header > dependencies, with the dual goals of: > > - speeding up the kernel build (both absolute and incremental build times) > > - decoupling subsystem type & API definitions from each other > > The fast-headers tree consists of over 25 sub-trees internally, spanning > over 2,200 commits, which can be found here: > > git://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/mingo/tip.git master > > As most kernel developers know, there's around ~10,000 main .h headers in > the Linux kernel, in the include/ and arch/*/include/ hierarchies. Over the > last 30+ years they have grown into a complicated & painful set of > cross-dependencies we are affectionately calling 'Dependency Hell'. $ git grep -n -w kernel.h mingo/sched/headers -- include/ | wc -l 138 $ git grep -n -w kernel.h next/master -- include/ | wc -l 96 Can we rather split kernel.h more? In some cases kernel.h is used just as a bundle instead of ~2-3 headers. And I can't get why kernel.h is returned in the drm headers. AFAICT there are no dependencies: mingo/sched/headers:include/drm/drm_gem_ttm_helper.h:6:#include mingo/sched/headers:include/drm/drm_gem_vram_helper.h:15:#include /* for container_of() */ mingo/sched/headers:include/drm/drm_mm.h:44:#include mingo/sched/headers:include/drm/drm_property.h:28:#include mingo/sched/headers:include/drm/intel-gtt.h:9:#include Ah, it may be due to base on the vanilla rather than on next, it would be nice to see this rebased on top of v5.17-rc1 when it's out. -- With Best Regards, Andy Shevchenko