On Fri, Jan 14, 2022 at 02:28:11PM +0000, Alex Bennée wrote:
> 
> Stefan Hajnoczi <stefanha@redhat.com> writes:
> 
> > [[PGP Signed Part:Undecided]]
> > On Thu, Jan 06, 2022 at 05:03:38PM +0000, Alex Bennée wrote:
> >> 
> >> Hi,
> >> 
> >> To start the new year I thought would dump some of my thoughts on
> >> zero-copy between VM domains. For project Stratos we've gamely avoided
> >> thinking too hard about this while we've been concentrating on solving
> >> more tractable problems. However we can't put it off forever so lets
> >> work through the problem.
> >> 
> >> Memory Sharing
> <snip>
> >> Buffer Allocation
> <snip>
> >> Transparent fallback and scaling
> <snip>
> >> 
> >>  - what other constraints we need to take into account?
> >>  - can we leverage existing sub-systems to build this support?
> >> 
> >> I look forward to your thoughts ;-)
> >
> > (Side note: Shared Virtual Addressing (https://lwn.net/Articles/747230/)
> > is an interesting IOMMU feature. It would be neat to have a CPU
> > equivalent where loads and stores from/to another address space could be
> > done cheaply with CPU support. I don't think this is possible today and
> > that's why software IOMMUs are slow for per-transaction page protection.
> > In other words, a virtio-net TX VM would set up a page table allowing
> > read access only to the TX buffers and vring and the virtual network
> > switch VM would have the capability to access the vring and buffers
> > through the TX VM's dedicated address space.)
> 
> Does binding a device to an address space mean the driver allocations
> will be automatically done from the address space or do the drivers need
> modifying to take advantage of that? Jean-Phillipe?
> 
> > Some storage and networking applications use buffered I/O where the
> > guest kernel owns the DMA buffer while others use zero-copy I/O where
> > guest userspace pages are pinned for DMA. I think both cases need to be
> > considered.
> >
> > Are guest userspace-visible API changes allowed (e.g. making the
> > userspace application aware at buffer allocation time)?
> 
> I assume you mean enhanced rather than breaking APIs here? I don't see
> why not. Certainly for the vhost-user backends we are writing we aren't
> beholden to sticking to an old API.

I was thinking about guest applications. Is the goal to run umodified
guest applications or is it acceptable to require new APIs (e.g. for
buffer allocation)?

> > Ideally the
> > requirement would be that zero-copy must work for unmodified
> > applications, but I'm not sure if that's realistic.
> >
> > By the way, VIRTIO 1.2 introduces Shared Memory Regions. These are
> > memory regions (e.g. PCI BAR ranges) that the guest driver can map. If
> > the host pages must come from a special pool then Shared Memory Regions
> > would be one way to configure the guest to use this special zero-copy
> > area for data buffers and even vrings. New VIRTIO feature bits and
> > transport-specific information may need to be added to do this.
> 
> Are these fixed sizes or could be accommodate a growing/shrinking region?

Shared Memory Regions are currently static although it may be possible
to extend the spec. The virtio-pci transport represents Shared Memory
Regions using PCI Capabilities and I'm not sure if the PCI Capabilities
list is allowed to change at runtime.

Stefan