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From: Tejun Heo <tj@kernel.org>
To: "Michal Koutný" <mkoutny@suse.com>
Cc: "yukuai (C)" <yukuai3@huawei.com>,
	axboe@kernel.dk, ming.lei@redhat.com, geert@linux-m68k.org,
	cgroups@vger.kernel.org, linux-block@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, yi.zhang@huawei.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH -next v3 2/2] blk-throttle: fix io hung due to configuration updates
Date: Fri, 20 May 2022 06:20:36 -1000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <Yoe/1BRYzSRI0JBd@slm.duckdns.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20220520160305.GA17335@blackbody.suse.cz>

Hello,

On Fri, May 20, 2022 at 06:03:05PM +0200, Michal Koutný wrote:
> > Then io hung can be triggered by always submmiting new configuration
> > before the throttled bio is dispatched.
> 
> How big is this a problem actually? Is it only shooting oneself in the leg
> or can there be a user who's privileged enough to modify throttling
> configuration yet not privileged enough to justify the hung's
> consequences (like some global FS locks).

So, the problem in itself is of the self-inflicted type and I'd prefer to
ignore it. Unfortunately, the kernel doesn't have the kind of isolation
where stalling out some aribtrary tasks is generally safe, especially not
blk-throtl as it doesn't handle bio_issue_as_root() and thus can have a
pretty severe priority inversions where IOs which can block system-wide
operations (e.g. memory reclaim) get trapped in a random cgroup.

Even ignoring that, the kernel in general assumes some forward progress from
everybody and when a part stalls it's relatively easy to spread to the rest
of the system, sometimes gradually, sometimes suddenly - e.g. if the stalled
IO was being performed while holding the mmap_sem, which isn't rare, then
anything which tries to read its proc cmdline will hang behind it.

So, we wanna avoid a situation where a non-priviledged user can cause
indefinite UNINTERRUPTIBLE sleeps to prevent local DoS attacks. I mean,
preventing local attacks is almost never fool proof but we don't want to
make it too easy at least.

Thanks.

-- 
tejun

  reply	other threads:[~2022-05-20 16:20 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 24+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2022-05-19  8:58 [PATCH -next v3 0/2] bugfix for blk-throttle Yu Kuai
2022-05-19  8:58 ` Yu Kuai
2022-05-19  8:58 ` [PATCH -next v3 1/2] blk-throttle: fix that io throttle can only work for single bio Yu Kuai
2022-05-19  8:58   ` Yu Kuai
2022-05-19 10:42   ` Ming Lei
2022-05-19  8:58 ` [PATCH -next v3 2/2] blk-throttle: fix io hung due to configuration updates Yu Kuai
2022-05-19  8:58   ` Yu Kuai
2022-05-19  9:58   ` Michal Koutný
2022-05-19 12:14     ` yukuai (C)
2022-05-19 12:14       ` yukuai (C)
2022-05-19 16:10       ` Michal Koutný
2022-05-19 16:10         ` Michal Koutný
2022-05-20  1:22         ` yukuai (C)
2022-05-20  1:22           ` yukuai (C)
2022-05-20  1:36           ` yukuai (C)
2022-05-20  1:36             ` yukuai (C)
2022-05-20 16:03             ` Michal Koutný
2022-05-20 16:20               ` Tejun Heo [this message]
2022-05-21  3:51                 ` yukuai (C)
2022-05-21  3:51                   ` yukuai (C)
2022-05-21  5:00                   ` Tejun Heo
2022-05-21  5:00                     ` Tejun Heo
2022-05-21  3:01               ` yukuai (C)
2022-05-21  3:01                 ` yukuai (C)

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