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From: Rodrigo Vivi <rodrigo.vivi@intel.com>
To: Dave Airlie <airlied@gmail.com>
Cc: <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>, Jonathan Corbet <corbet@lwn.net>,
	<linux-doc@vger.kernel.org>, <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org>,
	Daniel Vetter <daniel@ffwll.ch>, <mcgrof@kernel.org>,
	<alsa-devel@alsa-project.org>, <netdev@vger.kernel.org>,
	<linux-wireless@vger.kernel.org>, <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	<linux-block@vger.kernel.org>, <dri-devel@lists.sf.net>,
	Dave Airlie <airlied@redhat.com>, <linux-media@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] docs: driver-api: firmware: add driver firmware guidelines.
Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2022 13:54:24 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <YtWeUOJewho7p/vM@intel.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20220718072144.2699487-1-airlied@gmail.com>

On Mon, Jul 18, 2022 at 05:21:44PM +1000, Dave Airlie wrote:
> From: Dave Airlie <airlied@redhat.com>
> 
> A recent snafu where Intel ignored upstream feedback on a firmware
> change, led to a late rc6 fix being required. In order to avoid this
> in the future we should document some expectations around
> linux-firmware.
> 
> I was originally going to write this for drm, but it seems quite generic
> advice.
> 
> I'm cc'ing this quite widely to reach subsystems which use fw a lot.
> 
> Signed-off-by: Dave Airlie <airlied@redhat.com>
> ---
>  Documentation/driver-api/firmware/core.rst    |  1 +
>  .../firmware/firmware-usage-guidelines.rst    | 34 +++++++++++++++++++
>  2 files changed, 35 insertions(+)
>  create mode 100644 Documentation/driver-api/firmware/firmware-usage-guidelines.rst
> 
> diff --git a/Documentation/driver-api/firmware/core.rst b/Documentation/driver-api/firmware/core.rst
> index 1d1688cbc078..803cd574bbd7 100644
> --- a/Documentation/driver-api/firmware/core.rst
> +++ b/Documentation/driver-api/firmware/core.rst
> @@ -13,4 +13,5 @@ documents these features.
>     direct-fs-lookup
>     fallback-mechanisms
>     lookup-order
> +   firmware-usage-guidelines
>  
> diff --git a/Documentation/driver-api/firmware/firmware-usage-guidelines.rst b/Documentation/driver-api/firmware/firmware-usage-guidelines.rst
> new file mode 100644
> index 000000000000..34d2412e78c6
> --- /dev/null
> +++ b/Documentation/driver-api/firmware/firmware-usage-guidelines.rst
> @@ -0,0 +1,34 @@
> +===================
> +Firmware Guidelines
> +===================
> +
> +Drivers that use firmware from linux-firmware should attempt to follow
> +the rules in this guide.
> +
> +* Firmware should be versioned with at least a major/minor version. It
> +  is suggested that the firmware files in linux-firmware be named with
> +  some device specific name, and just the major version. The
> +  major/minor/patch versions should be stored in a header in the
> +  firmware file for the driver to detect any non-ABI fixes/issues. The
> +  firmware files in linux-firmware should be overwritten with the newest
> +  compatible major version. Newer major version firmware should remain
> +  compatible with all kernels that load that major number.

would symbolic links be acceptable in the linux-firmware.git where
the <fmw>_<major>.bin is a sym link to <fwm>_<major>.<minor>.bin

or having the <fwm>_<major>.bin really to be the overwritten every minor
update?

> +
> +* Users should *not* have to install newer firmware to use existing
> +  hardware when they install a newer kernel.  If the hardware isn't
> +  enabled by default or under development, this can be ignored, until
> +  the first kernel release that enables that hardware.  This means no
> +  major version bumps without the kernel retaining backwards
> +  compatibility for the older major versions.  Minor version bumps
> +  should not introduce new features that newer kernels depend on
> +  non-optionally.
> +
> +* If a security fix needs lockstep firmware and kernel fixes in order to
> +  be successful, then all supported major versions in the linux-firmware
> +  repo should be updated with the security fix, and the kernel patches
> +  should detect if the firmware is new enough to declare if the security
> +  issue is fixed.  All communications around security fixes should point
> +  at both the firmware and kernel fixes. If a security fix requires
> +  deprecating old major versions, then this should only be done as a
> +  last option, and be stated clearly in all communications.

Everything makes sense to me. Thanks for writing this down.

Acked-by: Rodrigo Vivi <rodrigo.vivi@intel.com>

> +
> -- 
> 2.36.1
> 
> 
> 
> --
> _______________________________________________
> Dri-devel mailing list
> Dri-devel@lists.sourceforge.net
> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/dri-devel

WARNING: multiple messages have this Message-ID (diff)
From: Rodrigo Vivi <rodrigo.vivi@intel.com>
To: Dave Airlie <airlied@gmail.com>
Cc: alsa-devel@alsa-project.org, linux-doc@vger.kernel.org,
	gregkh@linuxfoundation.org, Jonathan Corbet <corbet@lwn.net>,
	linux-wireless@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-block@vger.kernel.org, mcgrof@kernel.org,
	Daniel Vetter <daniel@ffwll.ch>,
	netdev@vger.kernel.org, dri-devel@lists.sf.net,
	Dave Airlie <airlied@redhat.com>,
	torvalds@linux-foundation.org, linux-media@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH] docs: driver-api: firmware: add driver firmware guidelines.
Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2022 13:54:24 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <YtWeUOJewho7p/vM@intel.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20220718072144.2699487-1-airlied@gmail.com>

On Mon, Jul 18, 2022 at 05:21:44PM +1000, Dave Airlie wrote:
> From: Dave Airlie <airlied@redhat.com>
> 
> A recent snafu where Intel ignored upstream feedback on a firmware
> change, led to a late rc6 fix being required. In order to avoid this
> in the future we should document some expectations around
> linux-firmware.
> 
> I was originally going to write this for drm, but it seems quite generic
> advice.
> 
> I'm cc'ing this quite widely to reach subsystems which use fw a lot.
> 
> Signed-off-by: Dave Airlie <airlied@redhat.com>
> ---
>  Documentation/driver-api/firmware/core.rst    |  1 +
>  .../firmware/firmware-usage-guidelines.rst    | 34 +++++++++++++++++++
>  2 files changed, 35 insertions(+)
>  create mode 100644 Documentation/driver-api/firmware/firmware-usage-guidelines.rst
> 
> diff --git a/Documentation/driver-api/firmware/core.rst b/Documentation/driver-api/firmware/core.rst
> index 1d1688cbc078..803cd574bbd7 100644
> --- a/Documentation/driver-api/firmware/core.rst
> +++ b/Documentation/driver-api/firmware/core.rst
> @@ -13,4 +13,5 @@ documents these features.
>     direct-fs-lookup
>     fallback-mechanisms
>     lookup-order
> +   firmware-usage-guidelines
>  
> diff --git a/Documentation/driver-api/firmware/firmware-usage-guidelines.rst b/Documentation/driver-api/firmware/firmware-usage-guidelines.rst
> new file mode 100644
> index 000000000000..34d2412e78c6
> --- /dev/null
> +++ b/Documentation/driver-api/firmware/firmware-usage-guidelines.rst
> @@ -0,0 +1,34 @@
> +===================
> +Firmware Guidelines
> +===================
> +
> +Drivers that use firmware from linux-firmware should attempt to follow
> +the rules in this guide.
> +
> +* Firmware should be versioned with at least a major/minor version. It
> +  is suggested that the firmware files in linux-firmware be named with
> +  some device specific name, and just the major version. The
> +  major/minor/patch versions should be stored in a header in the
> +  firmware file for the driver to detect any non-ABI fixes/issues. The
> +  firmware files in linux-firmware should be overwritten with the newest
> +  compatible major version. Newer major version firmware should remain
> +  compatible with all kernels that load that major number.

would symbolic links be acceptable in the linux-firmware.git where
the <fmw>_<major>.bin is a sym link to <fwm>_<major>.<minor>.bin

or having the <fwm>_<major>.bin really to be the overwritten every minor
update?

> +
> +* Users should *not* have to install newer firmware to use existing
> +  hardware when they install a newer kernel.  If the hardware isn't
> +  enabled by default or under development, this can be ignored, until
> +  the first kernel release that enables that hardware.  This means no
> +  major version bumps without the kernel retaining backwards
> +  compatibility for the older major versions.  Minor version bumps
> +  should not introduce new features that newer kernels depend on
> +  non-optionally.
> +
> +* If a security fix needs lockstep firmware and kernel fixes in order to
> +  be successful, then all supported major versions in the linux-firmware
> +  repo should be updated with the security fix, and the kernel patches
> +  should detect if the firmware is new enough to declare if the security
> +  issue is fixed.  All communications around security fixes should point
> +  at both the firmware and kernel fixes. If a security fix requires
> +  deprecating old major versions, then this should only be done as a
> +  last option, and be stated clearly in all communications.

Everything makes sense to me. Thanks for writing this down.

Acked-by: Rodrigo Vivi <rodrigo.vivi@intel.com>

> +
> -- 
> 2.36.1
> 
> 
> 
> --
> _______________________________________________
> Dri-devel mailing list
> Dri-devel@lists.sourceforge.net
> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/dri-devel

  parent reply	other threads:[~2022-07-18 17:54 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 21+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2022-07-18  7:21 [PATCH] docs: driver-api: firmware: add driver firmware guidelines Dave Airlie
2022-07-18  7:21 ` Dave Airlie
2022-07-18  7:21 ` Dave Airlie
2022-07-18  9:33 ` Thorsten Leemhuis
2022-07-18  9:33   ` Thorsten Leemhuis
2022-07-18 22:04   ` Jakub Kicinski
2022-07-18 22:04     ` Jakub Kicinski
2022-07-19  0:33     ` Dave Airlie
2022-07-19  0:33       ` Dave Airlie
2022-07-19  0:33       ` Dave Airlie
2022-07-18 17:54 ` Rodrigo Vivi [this message]
2022-07-18 17:54   ` Rodrigo Vivi
2022-07-19  0:29   ` Dave Airlie
2022-07-19  0:29     ` Dave Airlie
2022-07-19  0:29     ` Dave Airlie
2022-07-19 14:49     ` Pierre-Louis Bossart
2022-07-19 14:49       ` Pierre-Louis Bossart
2022-07-18 22:00 ` Luis Chamberlain
2022-07-18 22:00   ` Luis Chamberlain
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2022-07-18  7:05 Dave Airlie
2022-07-18  7:05 ` Dave Airlie

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