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From: "Daniel P. Berrangé" <berrange@redhat.com>
To: Claudio Imbrenda <imbrenda@linux.ibm.com>
Cc: pbonzini@redhat.com, qemu-devel@nongnu.org, david@redhat.com,
	cohuck@redhat.com, thuth@redhat.com, borntraeger@de.ibm.com,
	frankja@linux.ibm.com, alex.bennee@linaro.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 1/1] osdep: asynchronous teardown for shutdown on Linux
Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2022 17:41:01 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <Yuv2nW57bSGdK/1d@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20220804164929.2ae0d34e@p-imbrenda>

On Thu, Aug 04, 2022 at 04:49:29PM +0200, Claudio Imbrenda wrote:
> On Thu, 4 Aug 2022 09:29:39 +0100
> Daniel P. Berrangé <berrange@redhat.com> wrote:
> 
> > On Wed, Aug 03, 2022 at 06:34:45PM +0100, Daniel P. Berrangé wrote:
> > > On Wed, Aug 03, 2022 at 07:31:41PM +0200, Claudio Imbrenda wrote:  
> > > > This patch adds support for asynchronously tearing down a VM on Linux.
> > > > 
> > > > When qemu terminates, either naturally or because of a fatal signal,
> > > > the VM is torn down. If the VM is huge, it can take a considerable
> > > > amount of time for it to be cleaned up. In case of a protected VM, it
> > > > might take even longer than a non-protected VM (this is the case on
> > > > s390x, for example).
> > > > 
> > > > Some users might want to shut down a VM and restart it immediately,
> > > > without having to wait. This is especially true if management
> > > > infrastructure like libvirt is used.
> > > > 
> > > > This patch implements a simple trick on Linux to allow qemu to return
> > > > immediately, with the teardown of the VM being performed
> > > > asynchronously.
> > > > 
> > > > If the new commandline option -async-teardown is used, a new process is
> > > > spawned from qemu at startup, using the clone syscall, in such way that
> > > > it will share its address space with qemu.
> > > > 
> > > > The new process will then simpy wait until qemu terminates, and then it
> > > > will exit itself.
> > > > 
> > > > This allows qemu to terminate quickly, without having to wait for the
> > > > whole address space to be torn down. The teardown process will exit
> > > > after qemu, so it will be the last user of the address space, and
> > > > therefore it will take care of the actual teardown.
> > > > 
> > > > The teardown process will share the same cgroups as qemu, so both
> > > > memory usage and cpu time will be accounted properly.
> > > > 
> > > > This feature can already be used with libvirt by adding the following
> > > > to the XML domain definition:
> > > > 
> > > >   <commandline xmlns="http://libvirt.org/schemas/domain/qemu/1.0">
> > > >   <arg value='-async-teardown'/>
> > > >   </commandline>  
> > > 
> > > How does this work in practice ?  Libvirt should be blocking until
> > > all processes in the cgroup have exited, including this cloned
> > > child process.  
> > 
> > Also, have you disabled use of seccomp with QEMU when testing this,
> > as the seccomp filter that libivrt enables is supposed to block
> > any use of clone() except for the creation of threads.
> 
> it was just a vanilla libvirt 8.0.0 as found on ubuntu 22.04; I have no
> idea how it is configured by default

Ok, so the reason it is working is because the extra process is
cloned() right in middle of processing argv. This is before the
seccomp filter is applied to the process, so clone() is not blocked.

One think I note about this in practice is that (unsurprisingly)
if you do a process listing, users now see 2 QEMU processes instead
of one.

I wonder if we should consider overwriting argv in the child
process with "[qemu async teardown]" to give users a hint as to
why this duplicate process exists.

With regards,
Daniel
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  reply	other threads:[~2022-08-04 16:42 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 12+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2022-08-03 17:31 [PATCH v2 1/1] osdep: asynchronous teardown for shutdown on Linux Claudio Imbrenda
2022-08-03 17:34 ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2022-08-04  5:56   ` Claudio Imbrenda
2022-08-04  8:20     ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2022-08-04 16:58       ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2022-08-05  7:02         ` Claudio Imbrenda
2022-08-04  8:29   ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2022-08-04 14:49     ` Claudio Imbrenda
2022-08-04 16:41       ` Daniel P. Berrangé [this message]
2022-08-05  6:59         ` Claudio Imbrenda
2022-08-04 16:56 ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2022-08-05  7:32   ` Claudio Imbrenda

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