From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.0 (2014-02-07) on aws-us-west-2-korg-lkml-1.web.codeaurora.org Received: from vger.kernel.org (vger.kernel.org [23.128.96.18]) by smtp.lore.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D18F9C6FD1D for ; Tue, 4 Apr 2023 17:11:22 +0000 (UTC) Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S231384AbjDDRLV (ORCPT ); Tue, 4 Apr 2023 13:11:21 -0400 Received: from lindbergh.monkeyblade.net ([23.128.96.19]:60548 "EHLO lindbergh.monkeyblade.net" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S230177AbjDDRLV (ORCPT ); Tue, 4 Apr 2023 13:11:21 -0400 Received: from out-38.mta1.migadu.com (out-38.mta1.migadu.com [IPv6:2001:41d0:203:375::26]) by lindbergh.monkeyblade.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4D325B4 for ; Tue, 4 Apr 2023 10:11:19 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2023 13:11:12 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=linux.dev; s=key1; t=1680628276; h=from:from:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date:message-id:message-id: to:to:cc:cc:mime-version:mime-version:content-type:content-type: in-reply-to:in-reply-to:references:references; bh=SfNQzMQnV5G0sUJpcQd4isXTb9aoOYu+NvTnxsp8EvI=; b=CtIxww6xOOgBCj5q+4I2QDmpNNy8WIxdoOI7fMi5Ai5hFZjP+419sfrxDGIU8UuzxcYK4z EygdLGzFEWWlPMgrfAKEJx38WW+NKzLUhY8HAYV4zYmYWfdQwNsUU1O0f8uwDHUzg9k5Kk jOVNE3SVuK01PY+qToqZuZftc8y4c5g= X-Report-Abuse: Please report any abuse attempt to abuse@migadu.com and include these headers. From: Kent Overstreet To: Jens Axboe Cc: Christoph Hellwig , linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-block@vger.kernel.org, willy@infradead.org Subject: Re: [PATCH 0/2] bio iter improvements Message-ID: References: <20230327174402.1655365-1-kent.overstreet@linux.dev> <2bbdb38b-a3ac-5127-23c0-56badd113538@kernel.dk> <86c63b44-7832-6a03-11d9-d389fdaf3c16@kernel.dk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <86c63b44-7832-6a03-11d9-d389fdaf3c16@kernel.dk> X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_OUT Precedence: bulk List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-block@vger.kernel.org On Tue, Apr 04, 2023 at 10:14:36AM -0600, Jens Axboe wrote: > On 4/4/23 10:06?AM, Kent Overstreet wrote: > > On Tue, Apr 04, 2023 at 10:01:58AM -0600, Jens Axboe wrote: > >>>> Starting to get personal instead tends to not help to convince your > >>>> reviewers that it's really useful in general. > >>> > >>> I know you and others like to talk a lot about what you want as > >>> maintainers and reviewers - but I find that the people who are the > >>> loudest and the most authoritarian in that respect tend not to be the > >>> people who drive discussions forward in productive ways. > >> > >> One issue is certainly that nobody wants to engage with people that > >> instantly try and make this personal, or just uncomfortable in general. > > > > Yeah, you like to respond to technical discussion with a *plonk*. > > > > *eyeroll* > > > > Christoph can handle himself, he doesn't need you defending him. > > I'm not defending Christoph, I'm trying to help YOU understand why > your patchsets always turn sour. And I'm trying to get this toxicity off > the list, because it's frankly not productive at all and it's hurting > the developer environment for everybody else. > > If everybody else seems like an asshole, maybe it's actually you? A > little introspection would be prudent. If you can't change your tone, > please just go somewhere else. I'm not interested. Let's just leave this aside for now and talk about it at LSF.