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From: Sean Christopherson <seanjc@google.com>
To: Xu Yilun <yilun.xu@linux.intel.com>
Cc: Paolo Bonzini <pbonzini@redhat.com>,
	kvm@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	 Yan Zhao <yan.y.zhao@intel.com>,
	Isaku Yamahata <isaku.yamahata@intel.com>,
	 Michael Roth <michael.roth@amd.com>,
	Yu Zhang <yu.c.zhang@linux.intel.com>,
	 Chao Peng <chao.p.peng@linux.intel.com>,
	Fuad Tabba <tabba@google.com>,
	 David Matlack <dmatlack@google.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 05/16] KVM: x86/mmu: Use synthetic page fault error code to indicate private faults
Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2024 06:45:30 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <ZeiBLjzDsEN0UsaW@google.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Zeg6tKA0zNQ+dUpn@yilunxu-OptiPlex-7050>

On Wed, Mar 06, 2024, Xu Yilun wrote:
> On Tue, Feb 27, 2024 at 06:41:36PM -0800, Sean Christopherson wrote:
> > Add and use a synthetic, KVM-defined page fault error code to indicate
> > whether a fault is to private vs. shared memory.  TDX and SNP have
> > different mechanisms for reporting private vs. shared, and KVM's
> > software-protected VMs have no mechanism at all.  Usurp an error code
> > flag to avoid having to plumb another parameter to kvm_mmu_page_fault()
> > and friends.
> > 
> > Alternatively, KVM could borrow AMD's PFERR_GUEST_ENC_MASK, i.e. set it
> > for TDX and software-protected VMs as appropriate, but that would require
> > *clearing* the flag for SEV and SEV-ES VMs, which support encrypted
> > memory at the hardware layer, but don't utilize private memory at the
> > KVM layer.
> 
> I see this alternative in other patchset.  And I still don't understand why
> synthetic way is better after reading patch #5-7.  I assume for SEV(-ES) if
> there is spurious PFERR_GUEST_ENC flag set in error code when private memory
> is not used in KVM, then it is a HW issue or SW bug that needs to be caught
> and warned, and by the way cleared.

The conundrum is that SEV(-ES) support _encrypted_ memory, but cannot support
what KVM calls "private" memory.  In quotes because SEV(-ES) memory encryption
does provide confidentially/privacy, but in KVM they don't support memslots that
can be switched between private and shared, e.g. will return false for
kvm_arch_has_private_mem().

And KVM _can't_ sanely use private/shared memslots for SEV(-ES), because it's
impossible to intercept implicit conversions by the guest, i.e. KVM can't prevent
the guest from encrypting a page that KVM thinks is private, and vice versa.

But from hardware's perspective, while the APM is a bit misleading and I don't
love the behavior, I can't really argue that it's a hardware bug if the CPU sets
PFERR_GUEST_ENC on a fault where the guest access had C-bit=1, because the access
_was_ indeed to encrypted memory.

Which is a long-winded way of saying the unwanted PFERR_GUEST_ENC faults aren't
really spurious, nor are they hardware or software bugs, just another unfortunate
side effect of the fact that the hypervisor can't intercept shared<->encrypted
conversions for SEV(-ES) guests.  And that means that KVM can't WARN, because
literally every SNP-capable CPU would yell when running SEV(-ES) guests.

I also don't like the idea of usurping PFERR_GUEST_ENC to have it mean something
different in KVM as compared to how hardware defines/uses the flag.

Lastly, the approach in Paolo's series to propagate PFERR_GUEST_ENC to .is_private
iff the VM has private memory is brittle, in that it would be too easy for KVM
code that has access to the error code to do the wrong thing and interpret
PFERR_GUEST_ENC has meaning "private".

  reply	other threads:[~2024-03-06 14:53 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 83+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2024-02-28  2:41 [PATCH 00/16] KVM: x86/mmu: Page fault and MMIO cleanups Sean Christopherson
2024-02-28  2:41 ` [PATCH 01/16] KVM: x86/mmu: Exit to userspace with -EFAULT if private fault hits emulation Sean Christopherson
2024-03-01  8:48   ` Xiaoyao Li
2024-03-07 12:52   ` Gupta, Pankaj
2024-03-12  2:59     ` Binbin Wu
2024-04-04 16:38       ` Sean Christopherson
2024-03-08  4:22   ` Yan Zhao
2024-04-04 16:45     ` Sean Christopherson
2024-02-28  2:41 ` [PATCH 02/16] KVM: x86: Remove separate "bit" defines for page fault error code masks Sean Christopherson
2024-02-29 12:44   ` Paolo Bonzini
2024-02-29 18:40     ` Sean Christopherson
2024-02-29 20:56       ` Paolo Bonzini
2024-02-29 13:43   ` Dongli Zhang
2024-02-29 15:25     ` Sean Christopherson
2024-02-28  2:41 ` [PATCH 03/16] KVM: x86: Define more SEV+ page fault error bits/flags for #NPF Sean Christopherson
2024-02-28  4:43   ` Dongli Zhang
2024-02-28 16:16     ` Sean Christopherson
2024-02-28  2:41 ` [PATCH 04/16] KVM: x86/mmu: Pass full 64-bit error code when handling page faults Sean Christopherson
2024-02-28  7:30   ` Dongli Zhang
2024-02-28 16:22     ` Sean Christopherson
2024-02-29 13:32       ` Dongli Zhang
2024-03-05  3:55   ` Xiaoyao Li
2024-02-28  2:41 ` [PATCH 05/16] KVM: x86/mmu: Use synthetic page fault error code to indicate private faults Sean Christopherson
2024-02-29 11:16   ` Huang, Kai
2024-02-29 15:17     ` Sean Christopherson
2024-03-06  9:43   ` Xu Yilun
2024-03-06 14:45     ` Sean Christopherson [this message]
2024-03-07  9:05       ` Xu Yilun
2024-03-07 14:36         ` Sean Christopherson
2024-03-12  5:34   ` Binbin Wu
2024-02-28  2:41 ` [PATCH 06/16] KVM: x86/mmu: WARN if upper 32 bits of legacy #PF error code are non-zero Sean Christopherson
2024-02-29 22:11   ` Huang, Kai
2024-02-29 23:07     ` Sean Christopherson
2024-03-12  5:44       ` Binbin Wu
2024-02-28  2:41 ` [PATCH 07/16] KVM: x86: Move synthetic PFERR_* sanity checks to SVM's #NPF handler Sean Christopherson
2024-02-29 22:19   ` Huang, Kai
2024-02-29 22:52     ` Sean Christopherson
2024-02-29 23:14       ` Huang, Kai
2024-03-12  9:44   ` Binbin Wu
2024-02-28  2:41 ` [PATCH 08/16] KVM: x86/mmu: WARN and skip MMIO cache on private, reserved page faults Sean Christopherson
2024-02-29 22:26   ` Huang, Kai
2024-02-29 23:06     ` Sean Christopherson
2024-02-29 23:21       ` Huang, Kai
2024-03-04 15:51         ` Sean Christopherson
2024-03-05 21:32           ` Huang, Kai
2024-03-06  0:25             ` Sean Christopherson
2024-02-28  2:41 ` [PATCH 09/16] KVM: x86/mmu: Move private vs. shared check above slot validity checks Sean Christopherson
2024-03-05 23:06   ` Huang, Kai
2024-03-06  0:38     ` Sean Christopherson
2024-03-06  1:22       ` Huang, Kai
2024-03-06  2:02         ` Sean Christopherson
2024-03-06 22:06           ` Huang, Kai
2024-03-06 23:49             ` Sean Christopherson
2024-03-07  0:28               ` Huang, Kai
2024-03-08  4:54   ` Xu Yilun
2024-03-08 23:28     ` Sean Christopherson
2024-03-11  4:43       ` Xu Yilun
2024-03-12  0:08         ` Sean Christopherson
2024-02-28  2:41 ` [PATCH 10/16] KVM: x86/mmu: Don't force emulation of L2 accesses to non-APIC internal slots Sean Christopherson
2024-03-07  0:03   ` Huang, Kai
2024-02-28  2:41 ` [PATCH 11/16] KVM: x86/mmu: Explicitly disallow private accesses to emulated MMIO Sean Christopherson
2024-03-06 22:35   ` Huang, Kai
2024-03-06 22:43     ` Sean Christopherson
2024-03-06 22:49       ` Huang, Kai
2024-03-06 23:01         ` Sean Christopherson
2024-03-06 23:20           ` Huang, Kai
2024-03-07 17:10         ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2024-03-08  0:09           ` Huang, Kai
2024-02-28  2:41 ` [PATCH 12/16] KVM: x86/mmu: Move slot checks from __kvm_faultin_pfn() to kvm_faultin_pfn() Sean Christopherson
2024-03-07  0:11   ` Huang, Kai
2024-02-28  2:41 ` [PATCH 13/16] KVM: x86/mmu: Handle no-slot faults at the beginning of kvm_faultin_pfn() Sean Christopherson
2024-03-07  0:48   ` Huang, Kai
2024-03-07  0:53     ` Sean Christopherson
2024-02-28  2:41 ` [PATCH 14/16] KVM: x86/mmu: Set kvm_page_fault.hva to KVM_HVA_ERR_BAD for "no slot" faults Sean Christopherson
2024-03-07  0:50   ` Huang, Kai
2024-03-07  1:01     ` Sean Christopherson
2024-02-28  2:41 ` [PATCH 15/16] KVM: x86/mmu: Initialize kvm_page_fault's pfn and hva to error values Sean Christopherson
2024-03-07  0:46   ` Huang, Kai
2024-02-28  2:41 ` [PATCH 16/16] KVM: x86/mmu: Sanity check that __kvm_faultin_pfn() doesn't create noslot pfns Sean Christopherson
2024-03-07  0:46   ` Huang, Kai
2024-04-17 12:48 ` [PATCH 00/16] KVM: x86/mmu: Page fault and MMIO cleanups Paolo Bonzini
2024-04-18 15:40   ` Sean Christopherson
2024-04-19  6:47   ` Xiaoyao Li

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