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From: Ronald Moesbergen <intercommit@gmail.com>
To: Vladislav Bolkhovitin <vst@vlnb.net>
Cc: fengguang.wu@intel.com, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	akpm@linux-foundation.org, kosaki.motohiro@jp.fujitsu.com,
	Alan.Brunelle@hp.com, linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org,
	jens.axboe@oracle.com, randy.dunlap@oracle.com,
	Bart Van Assche <bart.vanassche@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [RESEND] [PATCH] readahead:add blk_run_backing_dev
Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2009 16:54:44 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <a0272b440907160754j3545f4dby13882ea1ab964222@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4A5F0293.3010206@vlnb.net>

2009/7/16 Vladislav Bolkhovitin <vst@vlnb.net>:
>
> Ronald Moesbergen, on 07/16/2009 11:32 AM wrote:
>>
>> 2009/7/15 Vladislav Bolkhovitin <vst@vlnb.net>:
>>>>
>>>> The drop with 64 max_sectors_kb on the client is a consequence of how
>>>> CFQ
>>>> is working. I can't find the exact code responsible for this, but from
>>>> all
>>>> signs, CFQ stops delaying requests if amount of outstanding requests
>>>> exceeds
>>>> some threshold, which is 2 or 3. With 64 max_sectors_kb and 5 SCST I/O
>>>> threads this threshold is exceeded, so CFQ doesn't recover order of
>>>> requests, hence the performance drop. With default 512 max_sectors_kb
>>>> and
>>>> 128K RA the server sees at max 2 requests at time.
>>>>
>>>> Ronald, can you perform the same tests with 1 and 2 SCST I/O threads,
>>>> please?
>>
>> Ok. Should I still use the file-on-xfs testcase for this, or should I
>> go back to using a regular block device?
>
> Yes, please

As in: Yes, go back to block device, or Yes use file-on-xfs?

>> The file-over-iscsi is quite
>> uncommon I suppose, most people will export a block device over iscsi,
>> not a file.
>
> No, files are common. The main reason why people use direct block devices is
> a not supported by anything believe that comparing with files they "have
> less overhead", so "should be faster". But it isn't true and can be easily
> checked.

Well, there are other advantages of using a block device: they are
generally more manageble, for instance you can use LVM for resizing
instead of strange dd magic to extend a file. When using a file you
have to extend the volume that holds the file first, and then the file
itself. And you don't lose disk space to filesystem metadata twice.
Also, I still don't get why reads/writes from a blockdevice are
different in speed than reads/writes from a file on a filesystem. I
for one will not be using files exported over iscsi, but blockdevices
(LVM volumes).

Ronald.

  reply	other threads:[~2009-07-16 14:54 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 81+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2009-05-29  5:35 [RESEND] [PATCH] readahead:add blk_run_backing_dev Hisashi Hifumi
2009-06-01  0:36 ` Andrew Morton
2009-06-01  1:04   ` Hisashi Hifumi
2009-06-05 15:15     ` Alan D. Brunelle
2009-06-06 14:36       ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2009-06-06 22:45         ` Wu Fengguang
2009-06-18 19:04           ` Andrew Morton
2009-06-20  3:55             ` Wu Fengguang
2009-06-20 12:29               ` Vladislav Bolkhovitin
2009-06-29  9:34                 ` Wu Fengguang
2009-06-29 10:26                   ` Ronald Moesbergen
2009-06-29 10:26                     ` Ronald Moesbergen
2009-06-29 10:55                     ` Vladislav Bolkhovitin
2009-06-29 12:54                       ` Wu Fengguang
2009-06-29 12:58                         ` Bart Van Assche
2009-06-29 13:01                           ` Wu Fengguang
2009-06-29 13:04                         ` Vladislav Bolkhovitin
2009-06-29 13:13                           ` Wu Fengguang
2009-06-29 13:28                             ` Wu Fengguang
2009-06-29 14:43                               ` Ronald Moesbergen
2009-06-29 14:51                                 ` Wu Fengguang
2009-06-29 14:56                                   ` Ronald Moesbergen
2009-06-29 15:37                                   ` Vladislav Bolkhovitin
2009-06-29 14:00                           ` Ronald Moesbergen
2009-06-29 14:21                             ` Wu Fengguang
2009-06-29 15:01                               ` Wu Fengguang
2009-06-29 15:37                                 ` Vladislav Bolkhovitin
     [not found]                                   ` <20090630010414.GB31418@localhost>
2009-06-30 10:54                                     ` Vladislav Bolkhovitin
2009-07-01 13:07                                       ` Ronald Moesbergen
2009-07-01 18:12                                         ` Vladislav Bolkhovitin
2009-07-03  9:14                                       ` Ronald Moesbergen
2009-07-03 10:56                                         ` Vladislav Bolkhovitin
2009-07-03 12:41                                           ` Ronald Moesbergen
2009-07-03 12:46                                             ` Vladislav Bolkhovitin
2009-07-04 15:19                                           ` Ronald Moesbergen
2009-07-06 11:12                                             ` Vladislav Bolkhovitin
2009-07-06 14:37                                               ` Ronald Moesbergen
2009-07-06 14:37                                                 ` Ronald Moesbergen
2009-07-06 17:48                                                 ` Vladislav Bolkhovitin
2009-07-07  6:49                                                   ` Ronald Moesbergen
2009-07-07  6:49                                                     ` Ronald Moesbergen
     [not found]                                                     ` <4A5395FD.2040507@vlnb.net>
     [not found]                                                       ` <a0272b440907080149j3eeeb9bat13f942520db059a8@mail.gmail.com>
2009-07-08 12:40                                                         ` Vladislav Bolkhovitin
2009-07-10  6:32                                                           ` Ronald Moesbergen
2009-07-10  8:43                                                             ` Vladislav Bolkhovitin
2009-07-10  9:27                                                               ` Vladislav Bolkhovitin
2009-07-13 12:12                                                                 ` Ronald Moesbergen
2009-07-13 12:36                                                                   ` Wu Fengguang
2009-07-13 12:47                                                                     ` Ronald Moesbergen
2009-07-13 12:52                                                                       ` Wu Fengguang
2009-07-14 18:52                                                                     ` Vladislav Bolkhovitin
2009-07-15  7:06                                                                       ` Wu Fengguang
2009-07-14 18:52                                                                   ` Vladislav Bolkhovitin
2009-07-15  6:30                                                                     ` Vladislav Bolkhovitin
2009-07-16  7:32                                                                       ` Ronald Moesbergen
2009-07-16 10:36                                                                         ` Vladislav Bolkhovitin
2009-07-16 14:54                                                                           ` Ronald Moesbergen [this message]
2009-07-16 16:03                                                                             ` Vladislav Bolkhovitin
2009-07-17 14:15                                                                           ` Ronald Moesbergen
2009-07-17 18:23                                                                             ` Vladislav Bolkhovitin
2009-07-20  7:20                                                                               ` Vladislav Bolkhovitin
2009-07-22  8:44                                                                                 ` Ronald Moesbergen
2009-07-27 13:11                                                                                   ` Vladislav Bolkhovitin
2009-07-28  9:51                                                                                     ` Ronald Moesbergen
2009-07-28 19:07                                                                                       ` Vladislav Bolkhovitin
2009-07-29 12:48                                                                                         ` Ronald Moesbergen
2009-07-31 18:32                                                                                           ` Vladislav Bolkhovitin
2009-08-03  9:15                                                                                             ` Ronald Moesbergen
2009-08-03  9:20                                                                                               ` Vladislav Bolkhovitin
2009-08-03 11:44                                                                                                 ` Ronald Moesbergen
2009-08-03 11:44                                                                                                   ` Ronald Moesbergen
2009-07-15 20:52                                                           ` Kurt Garloff
2009-07-16 10:38                                                             ` Vladislav Bolkhovitin
2009-06-30 10:22                             ` Vladislav Bolkhovitin
2009-06-29 10:55                   ` Vladislav Bolkhovitin
2009-06-29 13:00                     ` Wu Fengguang
2009-09-22 20:58 ` Andrew Morton
2009-09-22 20:58   ` Andrew Morton
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2009-09-23  1:48 Wu Fengguang
2009-09-23  1:48 ` [RESEND] [PATCH] readahead:add blk_run_backing_dev Wu Fengguang
2009-09-23  1:48 ` (unknown) Wu Fengguang
2009-05-22  0:09 [RESEND][PATCH] readahead:add blk_run_backing_dev Hisashi Hifumi

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