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From: John Snow <jsnow@redhat.com>
To: Eric Blake <eblake@redhat.com>, Max Reitz <mreitz@redhat.com>,
	qemu-devel@nongnu.org, qemu-block@nongnu.org
Cc: jtc@redhat.com, Kevin Wolf <kwolf@redhat.com>,
	Markus Armbruster <armbru@redhat.com>,
	"Dr. David Alan Gilbert" <dgilbert@redhat.com>,
	Jeff Cody <jcody@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v3 05/15] block/mirror: don't install backing chain on abort
Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2018 16:10:56 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <a4182c7a-b84d-5b03-6635-dc9ff8966a31@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <ab14bcff-ae29-f1ce-a694-8aa2a4b63ac9@redhat.com>



On 09/04/2018 03:30 PM, Eric Blake wrote:
> On 09/04/2018 02:15 PM, John Snow wrote:
> 
>>
>> post-script: I really, really hate the "fake cancel" we've implemented
>> for mirror. It makes the job logic so much worse.
> 
> Mirror really does have a tri-state way to end the job (and accessible
> only after the job has moved into the sync state):
> 
> cancel (gracefully end the job by detaching the mirror, so that the
> original volume remains active - your "fake cancel")
> complete (gracefully end the job by pivoting to the mirror, so that the
> original volume is now the backup)
> cancel --force (end the job now, even though it means you did not
> actually create a mirrored copy) - only useful since commit b76e4458 (2.12)
> 
> The first two are conceptually similar - the job succeeds, and one of
> the two files used in the mirroring is now the state of the other at the
> time the job concluded.
> 

Sure, but I dislike how we implemented it as cancel, which mucks up the
job mechanisms. I recognize there are two fully valid ways in which we
want to successfully complete a mirror job.

> Back-compat says we can't really change the block-job terminology
> without an adequate deprecation cycle (and I don't know if libvirt has
> even been taught about cancel --force yet); but for the newer 'job'
> functionality (which we tried to shoehorn existing block jobs into), it
> does seem like it would be nicer to have 'cancel' mean what blockjob
> cancel --force implies, and instead focus on teaching 'complete' to have
> a way to select which of the two completion modes are desired (complete
> by return to original, or complete by pivot to mirror).  It might even
> be nice to have a way to specify which completion mode to default to at
> job creation time, and/or to change that default as the job is running
> (which also implies being able to query which completion mode is
> currently tied to the job, if you can complete without requesting either
> of the two modes explicitly).
> 

Yup, that's my preference!

  reply	other threads:[~2018-09-04 20:11 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 30+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2018-08-31 22:28 [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v3 00/15] jobs: Job Exit Refactoring Pt 2 John Snow
2018-08-31 22:28 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v3 01/15] block/commit: add block job creation flags John Snow
2018-09-01  3:17   ` Jeff Cody
2018-08-31 22:28 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v3 02/15] block/mirror: " John Snow
2018-09-01  3:31   ` Jeff Cody
2018-08-31 22:28 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v3 03/15] block/stream: " John Snow
2018-08-31 22:34   ` Eric Blake
2018-09-01  3:33   ` Jeff Cody
2018-08-31 22:28 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v3 04/15] block/commit: refactor commit to use job callbacks John Snow
2018-08-31 22:28 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v3 05/15] block/mirror: don't install backing chain on abort John Snow
2018-09-03  9:24   ` Max Reitz
2018-09-04 19:15     ` John Snow
2018-09-04 19:30       ` Eric Blake
2018-09-04 20:10         ` John Snow [this message]
2018-09-05  9:54         ` Kevin Wolf
2018-09-05 12:59           ` John Snow
2018-08-31 22:28 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v3 06/15] block/mirror: conservative mirror_exit refactor John Snow
2018-09-03  9:32   ` Max Reitz
2018-09-04 16:17     ` John Snow
2018-08-31 22:28 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v3 07/15] block/commit: refactor stream to use job callbacks John Snow
2018-09-03  9:33   ` Max Reitz
2018-08-31 22:29 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v3 08/15] tests/blockjob: replace Blockjob with Job John Snow
2018-08-31 22:29 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v3 09/15] tests/test-blockjob: remove exit callback John Snow
2018-08-31 22:29 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v3 10/15] tests/test-blockjob-txn: move .exit to .clean John Snow
2018-09-03  9:41   ` Max Reitz
2018-08-31 22:29 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v3 11/15] jobs: remove .exit callback John Snow
2018-08-31 22:29 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v3 12/15] qapi/block-commit: expose new job properties John Snow
2018-08-31 22:29 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v3 13/15] qapi/block-mirror: " John Snow
2018-08-31 22:29 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v3 14/15] qapi/block-stream: " John Snow
2018-08-31 22:29 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v3 15/15] block/backup: qapi documentation fixup John Snow

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