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From: Andrew Cooper <andrew.cooper3@citrix.com>
To: "Jürgen Groß" <jgross@suse.com>,
	"Andy Lutomirski" <luto@kernel.org>,
	"Thomas Gleixner" <tglx@linutronix.de>
Cc: LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>, X86 ML <x86@kernel.org>,
	"Paul E. McKenney" <paulmck@kernel.org>,
	Alexandre Chartre <alexandre.chartre@oracle.com>,
	Frederic Weisbecker <frederic@kernel.org>,
	Paolo Bonzini <pbonzini@redhat.com>,
	Sean Christopherson <sean.j.christopherson@intel.com>,
	Masami Hiramatsu <mhiramat@kernel.org>,
	Petr Mladek <pmladek@suse.com>,
	Steven Rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org>,
	"Joel Fernandes" <joel@joelfernandes.org>,
	Boris Ostrovsky <boris.ostrovsky@oracle.com>,
	Brian Gerst <brgerst@gmail.com>,
	"Mathieu Desnoyers" <mathieu.desnoyers@efficios.com>,
	Josh Poimboeuf <jpoimboe@redhat.com>,
	Will Deacon <will@kernel.org>,
	Tom Lendacky <thomas.lendacky@amd.com>,
	Wei Liu <wei.liu@kernel.org>,
	Michael Kelley <mikelley@microsoft.com>,
	Jason Chen CJ <jason.cj.chen@intel.com>,
	Zhao Yakui <yakui.zhao@intel.com>,
	"Peter Zijlstra (Intel)" <peterz@infradead.org>
Subject: Re: [patch V6 10/37] x86/entry: Switch XEN/PV hypercall entry to IDTENTRY
Date: Wed, 20 May 2020 12:31:34 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <a6c3b5b5-89d3-2d05-47eb-8d4caf34fe0a@citrix.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <3dd0e972-1b80-cd6b-6490-5b745ada68c8@suse.com>

On 20/05/2020 09:06, Jürgen Groß wrote:
> On 19.05.20 21:44, Andy Lutomirski wrote:
>> On Tue, May 19, 2020 at 11:58 AM Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Andy Lutomirski <luto@kernel.org> writes:
>>>> B: Turn this thing around.  Specifically, in the one and only case we
>>>> care about, we know pretty much exactly what context we got this entry
>>>> in: we're running in a schedulable context doing an explicitly
>>>> preemptible hypercall, and we have RIP pointing at a SYSCALL
>>>> instruction (presumably, but we shouldn't bet on it) in the hypercall
>>>> page.  Ideally we would change the Xen PV ABI so the hypercall would
>>>> return something like EAGAIN instead of auto-restarting and we could
>>>> ditch this mess entirely.  But the ABI seems to be set in stone or at
>>>> least in molasses, so how about just:
>>>>
>>>> idt_entry(exit(regs));
>>>> if (inhcall && need_resched())
>>>>    schedule();
>>>
>>> Which brings you into the situation that you call schedule() from the
>>> point where we just moved it out. If we would go there we'd need to
>>> ensure that RCU is watching as well. idtentry_exit() might have it
>>> turned off ....
>>
>> I don't think this is possible.  Once you untangle all the wrappers,
>> the call sites are effectively:
>>
>> __this_cpu_write(xen_in_preemptible_hcall, true);
>> CALL_NOSPEC to the hypercall page
>> __this_cpu_write(xen_in_preemptible_hcall, false);
>>
>> I think IF=1 when this happens, but I won't swear to it.  RCU had
>> better be watching.
>
> Preemptible hypercalls are never done with interrupts off. To be more
> precise: they are only ever done during ioctl() processing.
>
> I can add an ASSERT() to xen_preemptible_hcall_begin() if you want.
>
>>
>> As I understand it, the one and only situation Xen wants to handle is
>> that an interrupt gets delivered during the hypercall.  The hypervisor
>> is too clever for its own good and deals with this by rewinding RIP to
>> the beginning of whatever instruction did the hypercall and delivers
>> the interrupt, and we end up in this handler.  So, if this happens,
>> the idea is to not only handle the interrupt but to schedule if
>> scheduling would be useful.
>
> Correct. More precise: the hypercalls in question can last very long
> (up to several seconds) and so they need to be interruptible. As said
> before: the interface how this is done is horrible. :-(

Forget seconds.  DOMCTL_domain_kill gets to ~14 minutes for a 2TB domain.

The reason for the existing logic is to be able voluntarily preempt.

It doesn't need to remain the way it is, but some adequate form of
pre-emption does need to stay.

~Andrew

  reply	other threads:[~2020-05-20 11:38 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 159+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2020-05-15 23:45 [patch V6 00/37] x86/entry: Rework leftovers and merge plan Thomas Gleixner
2020-05-15 23:45 ` [patch V6 01/37] tracing/hwlat: Use ktime_get_mono_fast_ns() Thomas Gleixner
2020-05-19 21:26   ` Steven Rostedt
2020-05-19 21:45     ` Thomas Gleixner
2020-05-19 22:18       ` Steven Rostedt
2020-05-20 19:51         ` Thomas Gleixner
2020-05-20 20:14   ` Peter Zijlstra
2020-05-20 22:20     ` Thomas Gleixner
2020-05-15 23:45 ` [patch V6 02/37] tracing/hwlat: Split ftrace_nmi_enter/exit() Thomas Gleixner
2020-05-19 22:23   ` Steven Rostedt
2020-05-15 23:45 ` [patch V6 03/37] nmi, tracing: Provide nmi_enter/exit_notrace() Thomas Gleixner
2020-05-17  5:12   ` Andy Lutomirski
2020-05-19 22:24   ` Steven Rostedt
2020-05-15 23:45 ` [patch V6 04/37] x86: Make hardware latency tracing explicit Thomas Gleixner
2020-05-17  5:36   ` Andy Lutomirski
2020-05-17  8:48     ` Thomas Gleixner
2020-05-18  5:50       ` Andy Lutomirski
2020-05-18  8:03         ` Thomas Gleixner
2020-05-18 20:42           ` Andy Lutomirski
2020-05-18  8:01   ` Peter Zijlstra
2020-05-18  8:05     ` Thomas Gleixner
2020-05-18  8:08       ` Peter Zijlstra
2020-05-20 20:09         ` Thomas Gleixner
2020-05-20 20:14           ` Andy Lutomirski
2020-05-20 22:20             ` Thomas Gleixner
2020-05-15 23:45 ` [patch V6 05/37] genirq: Provide irq_enter/exit_rcu() Thomas Gleixner
2020-05-18 23:06   ` Andy Lutomirski
2020-05-15 23:45 ` [patch V6 06/37] genirq: Provde __irq_enter/exit_raw() Thomas Gleixner
2020-05-18 23:07   ` Andy Lutomirski
2020-05-15 23:45 ` [patch V6 07/37] x86/entry: Provide helpers for execute on irqstack Thomas Gleixner
2020-05-18 23:11   ` Andy Lutomirski
2020-05-18 23:46     ` Andy Lutomirski
2020-05-18 23:53       ` Thomas Gleixner
2020-05-18 23:56         ` Andy Lutomirski
2020-05-20 12:35           ` Thomas Gleixner
2020-05-20 15:09             ` Andy Lutomirski
2020-05-20 15:27               ` Thomas Gleixner
2020-05-20 15:36                 ` Andy Lutomirski
2020-05-18 23:51     ` Thomas Gleixner
2020-05-15 23:45 ` [patch V6 08/37] x86/entry/64: Move do_softirq_own_stack() to C Thomas Gleixner
2020-05-18 23:48   ` Andy Lutomirski
2020-05-15 23:45 ` [patch V6 09/37] x86/entry: Split idtentry_enter/exit() Thomas Gleixner
2020-05-18 23:49   ` Andy Lutomirski
2020-05-19  8:25     ` Thomas Gleixner
2020-05-15 23:45 ` [patch V6 10/37] x86/entry: Switch XEN/PV hypercall entry to IDTENTRY Thomas Gleixner
2020-05-19 17:06   ` Andy Lutomirski
2020-05-19 18:57     ` Thomas Gleixner
2020-05-19 19:44       ` Andy Lutomirski
2020-05-20  8:06         ` Jürgen Groß
2020-05-20 11:31           ` Andrew Cooper [this message]
2020-05-20 14:13         ` Thomas Gleixner
2020-05-20 15:16           ` Andy Lutomirski
2020-05-20 17:22             ` Andy Lutomirski
2020-05-20 19:16               ` Thomas Gleixner
2020-05-20 23:21                 ` Andy Lutomirski
2020-05-21 10:45                   ` Thomas Gleixner
2020-05-21  2:23                 ` Boris Ostrovsky
2020-05-21  7:08                   ` Thomas Gleixner
2020-05-15 23:45 ` [patch V6 11/37] x86/entry/64: Simplify idtentry_body Thomas Gleixner
2020-05-19 17:06   ` Andy Lutomirski
2020-05-15 23:45 ` [patch V6 12/37] x86/entry: Provide idtentry_entry/exit_cond_rcu() Thomas Gleixner
2020-05-19 17:08   ` Andy Lutomirski
2020-05-19 19:00     ` Thomas Gleixner
2020-05-19 20:20       ` Thomas Gleixner
2020-05-19 20:24         ` Andy Lutomirski
2020-05-19 21:20           ` Thomas Gleixner
2020-05-20  0:26             ` Andy Lutomirski
2020-05-20  2:23               ` Paul E. McKenney
2020-05-20 15:36                 ` Andy Lutomirski
2020-05-20 16:51                   ` Andy Lutomirski
2020-05-20 18:05                     ` Paul E. McKenney
2020-05-20 19:49                       ` Thomas Gleixner
2020-05-20 22:15                         ` Paul E. McKenney
2020-05-20 23:25                           ` Paul E. McKenney
2020-05-21  8:31                             ` Thomas Gleixner
2020-05-21 13:39                               ` Paul E. McKenney
2020-05-21 18:41                                 ` Thomas Gleixner
2020-05-21 19:04                                   ` Paul E. McKenney
2020-05-20 18:32                     ` Thomas Gleixner
2020-05-20 19:24                     ` Thomas Gleixner
2020-05-20 19:42                       ` Paul E. McKenney
2020-05-20 17:38                   ` Paul E. McKenney
2020-05-20 17:47                     ` Andy Lutomirski
2020-05-20 18:11                       ` Paul E. McKenney
2020-05-20 14:19               ` Thomas Gleixner
2020-05-27  8:12   ` [tip: x86/entry] " tip-bot2 for Thomas Gleixner
2020-05-15 23:46 ` [patch V6 13/37] x86/entry: Switch page fault exception to IDTENTRY_RAW Thomas Gleixner
2020-05-19 20:12   ` Andy Lutomirski
2020-05-15 23:46 ` [patch V6 14/37] x86/entry: Remove the transition leftovers Thomas Gleixner
2020-05-19 20:13   ` Andy Lutomirski
2020-05-15 23:46 ` [patch V6 15/37] x86/entry: Change exit path of xen_failsafe_callback Thomas Gleixner
2020-05-19 20:14   ` Andy Lutomirski
2020-05-15 23:46 ` [patch V6 16/37] x86/entry/64: Remove error_exit Thomas Gleixner
2020-05-19 20:14   ` Andy Lutomirski
2020-05-15 23:46 ` [patch V6 17/37] x86/entry/32: Remove common_exception Thomas Gleixner
2020-05-19 20:14   ` Andy Lutomirski
2020-05-15 23:46 ` [patch V6 18/37] x86/irq: Use generic irq_regs implementation Thomas Gleixner
2020-05-15 23:46 ` [patch V6 19/37] x86/irq: Convey vector as argument and not in ptregs Thomas Gleixner
2020-05-19 20:19   ` Andy Lutomirski
2020-05-21 13:22     ` Thomas Gleixner
2020-05-22 18:48       ` Boris Ostrovsky
2020-05-22 19:26         ` Josh Poimboeuf
2020-05-22 19:54           ` Thomas Gleixner
2020-05-15 23:46 ` [patch V6 20/37] x86/irq/64: Provide handle_irq() Thomas Gleixner
2020-05-19 20:21   ` Andy Lutomirski
2020-05-15 23:46 ` [patch V6 21/37] x86/entry: Add IRQENTRY_IRQ macro Thomas Gleixner
2020-05-19 20:27   ` Andy Lutomirski
2020-05-15 23:46 ` [patch V6 22/37] x86/entry: Use idtentry for interrupts Thomas Gleixner
2020-05-19 20:28   ` Andy Lutomirski
2020-05-15 23:46 ` [patch V6 23/37] x86/entry: Provide IDTENTRY_SYSVEC Thomas Gleixner
2020-05-20  0:29   ` Andy Lutomirski
2020-05-20 15:07     ` Thomas Gleixner
2020-05-15 23:46 ` [patch V6 24/37] x86/entry: Convert APIC interrupts to IDTENTRY_SYSVEC Thomas Gleixner
2020-05-20  0:27   ` Andy Lutomirski
2020-05-15 23:46 ` [patch V6 25/37] x86/entry: Convert SMP system vectors " Thomas Gleixner
2020-05-20  0:28   ` Andy Lutomirski
2020-05-15 23:46 ` [patch V6 26/37] x86/entry: Convert various system vectors Thomas Gleixner
2020-05-20  0:30   ` Andy Lutomirski
2020-05-15 23:46 ` [patch V6 27/37] x86/entry: Convert KVM vectors to IDTENTRY_SYSVEC Thomas Gleixner
2020-05-20  0:30   ` Andy Lutomirski
2020-05-15 23:46 ` [patch V6 28/37] x86/entry: Convert various hypervisor " Thomas Gleixner
2020-05-20  0:31   ` Andy Lutomirski
2020-05-15 23:46 ` [patch V6 29/37] x86/entry: Convert XEN hypercall vector " Thomas Gleixner
2020-05-20  0:31   ` Andy Lutomirski
2020-05-15 23:46 ` [patch V6 30/37] x86/entry: Convert reschedule interrupt to IDTENTRY_RAW Thomas Gleixner
2020-05-19 23:57   ` Andy Lutomirski
2020-05-20 15:08     ` Thomas Gleixner
2020-05-15 23:46 ` [patch V6 31/37] x86/entry: Remove the apic/BUILD interrupt leftovers Thomas Gleixner
2020-05-20  0:32   ` Andy Lutomirski
2020-05-15 23:46 ` [patch V6 32/37] x86/entry/64: Remove IRQ stack switching ASM Thomas Gleixner
2020-05-20  0:33   ` Andy Lutomirski
2020-05-15 23:46 ` [patch V6 33/37] x86/entry: Make enter_from_user_mode() static Thomas Gleixner
2020-05-20  0:34   ` Andy Lutomirski
2020-05-15 23:46 ` [patch V6 34/37] x86/entry/32: Remove redundant irq disable code Thomas Gleixner
2020-05-20  0:35   ` Andy Lutomirski
2020-05-15 23:46 ` [patch V6 35/37] x86/entry/64: Remove TRACE_IRQS_*_DEBUG Thomas Gleixner
2020-05-20  0:46   ` Andy Lutomirski
2020-05-15 23:46 ` [patch V6 36/37] x86/entry: Move paranoid irq tracing out of ASM code Thomas Gleixner
2020-05-20  0:53   ` Andy Lutomirski
2020-05-20 15:16     ` Thomas Gleixner
2020-05-20 17:13       ` Andy Lutomirski
2020-05-20 18:33         ` Thomas Gleixner
2020-05-15 23:46 ` [patch V6 37/37] x86/entry: Remove the TRACE_IRQS cruft Thomas Gleixner
2020-05-18 23:07   ` Andy Lutomirski
2020-05-16 17:18 ` [patch V6 00/37] x86/entry: Rework leftovers and merge plan Paul E. McKenney
2020-05-19 12:28   ` Joel Fernandes
2020-05-18 16:07 ` Peter Zijlstra
2020-05-18 18:53   ` Thomas Gleixner
2020-05-19  8:29     ` Peter Zijlstra
2020-05-18 20:24   ` Thomas Gleixner
2020-05-19  8:38     ` Peter Zijlstra
2020-05-19  9:02       ` Peter Zijlstra
2020-05-23  2:52         ` Lai Jiangshan
2020-05-23 13:08           ` Peter Zijlstra
2020-06-15 16:17             ` Peter Zijlstra
2020-05-19  9:06       ` Thomas Gleixner
2020-05-19 18:37 ` Steven Rostedt
2020-05-19 19:09   ` Thomas Gleixner
2020-05-19 19:13     ` Steven Rostedt

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