From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.0 (2014-02-07) on aws-us-west-2-korg-lkml-1.web.codeaurora.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.9 required=3.0 tests=DKIM_SIGNED,DKIM_VALID, DKIM_VALID_AU,HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS,MAILING_LIST_MULTI,SPF_PASS, URIBL_BLOCKED autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.0 Received: from mail.kernel.org (mail.kernel.org [198.145.29.99]) by smtp.lore.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3A339C433F4 for ; Mon, 24 Sep 2018 17:25:26 +0000 (UTC) Received: from vger.kernel.org (vger.kernel.org [209.132.180.67]) by mail.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E68C22098A for ; Mon, 24 Sep 2018 17:25:25 +0000 (UTC) Authentication-Results: mail.kernel.org; dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=redchan.it header.i=@redchan.it header.b="yDu37N0b" DMARC-Filter: OpenDMARC Filter v1.3.2 mail.kernel.org E68C22098A Authentication-Results: mail.kernel.org; dmarc=none (p=none dis=none) header.from=redchan.it Authentication-Results: mail.kernel.org; spf=none smtp.mailfrom=linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1732558AbeIXX2f (ORCPT ); Mon, 24 Sep 2018 19:28:35 -0400 Received: from cock.li ([185.100.85.212]:48536 "EHLO cock.li" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1728115AbeIXX2e (ORCPT ); Mon, 24 Sep 2018 19:28:34 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=redchan.it; s=mail; t=1537809921; bh=xuKtaRgWs2ZF9yQmHIsTOZAC1JWwBXH0QBTNlYLC70Y=; h=Date:From:To:Cc:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:From; b=yDu37N0bYD0MaqywriF3PpL1D8CZZhYT+y1Y8r+ODlzfUEgUfgvzlN4t0O7gt6L7k BQwbKTsv3+VJeDsbuXnfXPhchtei3NsuRiQvSR7td3cbHT/DKjGirWum2IMVn6efKQ Ryb4MX3FHBUywG5CWswm2Zzha0Q/X1S/GJvrzBgMFsw9Q5Z0xlZ1Gg1BRPr1K+RRTP gS4gFkEaYf1BQXRCALFKCgTauGH9mqnJJBZWJXZELSRHf/9pGIMUpcFIHnu44xpeJf ldGVwME80bD3J4DRTfDOtLShfpr26hkTuzZNcPRtL7HvZuAQIrlKNUZfGWs98pKcGM GhzK8ERKhip7w== Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2018 17:25:20 +0000 From: unconditionedwitness@redchan.it To: fche@redhat.com, dng@lists.dyne.org Cc: Rik van Riel , Edward Cree , Olof Johansson , Jonathan Corbet , Linux Kernel Mailing List , linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org Subject: Re: Code of Conduct: Let's revamp it. In-Reply-To: <87zhwbj8xe.fsf@redhat.com> References: <20180919081812.020f19e3@lwn.net> <72dadc76-44fe-ecb5-e142-0a9129082c93@cantab.net> <93b77a9a-12c3-6f7d-d2c3-0e0d7875a28b@cantab.net> <589966d9cd0ddccc88f33fcb7975bb4464be7696.camel@surriel.com> <87zhwbj8xe.fsf@redhat.com> Message-ID: X-Sender: unconditionedwitness@redchan.it User-Agent: Roundcube Webmail/1.3.6 Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org Precedence: bulk List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org The goal is obviously to shatter the gentleman's agreement that upholds the opensource community and end opensource as a force within the US and commonwealth countries. And it will likely succeed. No gratis contributor wants to be told what he can say or what he can do "or else we won't let you give us this gift!". FreeBSD has lost 1/2 its contributors after their woman-worshiping service known as the investiture of the CoC. This will continue until all of OSS is a rotting corpse. And then maybe some of the disaffected will revoke their license grants and bury the effluence. On 2018-09-21 13:07, fche@redhat.com wrote: > Rik van Riel writes: > >> [...] The goal of the code of conduct is to make the community >> welcoming, and to help people with being a part of the Linux >> community. [...] > > That may well be the goal. But the proper way to evaluate policy is > not > the laudability of its goals but its forseeable and/or actual effects. > Is there any plan to evaluate the CoC empirically somehow to see if it > accomplishes what its proponents hope? > > - FChE