From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from bedivere.hansenpartnership.com (bedivere.hansenpartnership.com [96.44.175.130]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.subspace.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 029842FB4 for ; Fri, 28 May 2021 15:27:45 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by bedivere.hansenpartnership.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6EF09128071E; Fri, 28 May 2021 08:27:45 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=hansenpartnership.com; s=20151216; t=1622215665; bh=osCrxTvDh4I+PoJ7BKkBl97R93DA/+e7bAH6MdgTeSI=; h=Message-ID:Subject:From:To:Date:In-Reply-To:References:From; b=KGzcweLRpZJiNtjicmP7GawbNpp2wt/qkigwf7AsUJufRuvAoEXDVHONLV1t8YF4J 4Eyvf/ij6oWOzPz5wCkNeFrBGGJIUCJiYKP/0q0nyNrnVoe4Fvtab5jsxid9ABimQU o7g/oKObcSQE+NgzTamNsHBWc4aBYAvuL3tleewg= Received: from bedivere.hansenpartnership.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (bedivere.hansenpartnership.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 8bSamE-ryG6k; Fri, 28 May 2021 08:27:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from jarvis.int.hansenpartnership.com (unknown [IPv6:2601:600:8280:66d1::527]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by bedivere.hansenpartnership.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id B1282128071C; Fri, 28 May 2021 08:27:44 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=hansenpartnership.com; s=20151216; t=1622215665; bh=osCrxTvDh4I+PoJ7BKkBl97R93DA/+e7bAH6MdgTeSI=; h=Message-ID:Subject:From:To:Date:In-Reply-To:References:From; b=KGzcweLRpZJiNtjicmP7GawbNpp2wt/qkigwf7AsUJufRuvAoEXDVHONLV1t8YF4J 4Eyvf/ij6oWOzPz5wCkNeFrBGGJIUCJiYKP/0q0nyNrnVoe4Fvtab5jsxid9ABimQU o7g/oKObcSQE+NgzTamNsHBWc4aBYAvuL3tleewg= Message-ID: Subject: Re: Maintainers / Kernel Summit 2021 planning kick-off From: James Bottomley To: Matthew Wilcox Cc: Greg KH , Christoph Lameter , Theodore Ts'o , Jiri Kosina , ksummit@lists.linux.dev, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-block@vger.kernel.org, linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org, linux-mm@kvack.org, netdev@vger.kernel.org, linux-arch@vger.kernel.org, linux-api@vger.kernel.org Date: Fri, 28 May 2021 08:27:44 -0700 In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" User-Agent: Evolution 3.34.4 X-Mailing-List: ksummit@lists.linux.dev List-Id: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Fri, 2021-05-28 at 16:11 +0100, Matthew Wilcox wrote: > On Fri, May 28, 2021 at 07:58:10AM -0700, James Bottomley wrote: > > On Thu, 2021-05-27 at 15:29 +0200, Greg KH wrote: > > > On Thu, May 27, 2021 at 03:23:03PM +0200, Christoph Lameter > > > wrote: > > > > On Fri, 30 Apr 2021, Theodore Ts'o wrote: > > > > > > > > > I know we're all really hungry for some in-person meetups and > > > > > discussions, but at least for LPC, Kernel Summit, and > > > > > Maintainer's Summit, we're going to have to wait for another > > > > > year, > > > > > > > > Well now that we are vaccinated: Can we still change it? > > > > > > > > > > Speak for yourself, remember that Europe and other parts of the > > > world are not as "flush" with vaccines as the US currently is :( > > > > The rollout is accelerating in Europe. At least in Germany, I know > > people younger than me are already vaccinated. I think by the end > > of September the situation will be better ... especially if the EU > > and US agree on this air bridge (and the US actually agrees to let > > EU people in). > > > > One of the things Plumbers is thinking of is having a meetup at > > what was OSS EU but which is now in Seattle. The Maintainer's > > summit could do the same thing. We couldn't actually hold Plumbers > > in Seattle because the hotels still had masks and distancing > > requirements for events that effectively precluded the > > collaborative aspects of microconferences, but evening events will > > be governed by local protocols, rather than the Hotel, which are > > already more relaxed. > > Umm. Let's remember that the vaccines are 33-93% effective [1], > which means that there's approximately a 100% certainty that at least > one person arriving at the event from a trans-atlantic flight has > been exposed to someone who has the virus. I'm not convinced that > holding a "more relaxed protocol" event is a great idea. Well, I'm not going to get into a debate over the effectiveness of the current vaccines. I will say that all conferences have to now recognize that a sizeable proportion of former attendees will have fears about travelling and therefore remote components are going to be a fixture of conferences going forward. However, while we should accommodate them, we can't let these fears override people willing to take the risk and meet in person. James From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.0 (2014-02-07) on aws-us-west-2-korg-lkml-1.web.codeaurora.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.8 required=3.0 tests=BAYES_00,DKIM_SIGNED, DKIM_VALID,DKIM_VALID_AU,HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS,MAILING_LIST_MULTI, SPF_HELO_NONE,SPF_PASS autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.0 Received: from mail.kernel.org (mail.kernel.org [198.145.29.99]) by smtp.lore.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 799C0C2B9F7 for ; Fri, 28 May 2021 15:27:48 +0000 (UTC) Received: from vger.kernel.org (vger.kernel.org [23.128.96.18]) by mail.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5D9B2613F6 for ; Fri, 28 May 2021 15:27:48 +0000 (UTC) Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S235075AbhE1P3V (ORCPT ); Fri, 28 May 2021 11:29:21 -0400 Received: from lindbergh.monkeyblade.net ([23.128.96.19]:46342 "EHLO lindbergh.monkeyblade.net" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S234998AbhE1P3V (ORCPT ); Fri, 28 May 2021 11:29:21 -0400 Received: from bedivere.hansenpartnership.com (bedivere.hansenpartnership.com [IPv6:2607:fcd0:100:8a00::2]) by lindbergh.monkeyblade.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 08A12C061574; Fri, 28 May 2021 08:27:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by bedivere.hansenpartnership.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6EF09128071E; Fri, 28 May 2021 08:27:45 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=hansenpartnership.com; s=20151216; t=1622215665; bh=osCrxTvDh4I+PoJ7BKkBl97R93DA/+e7bAH6MdgTeSI=; h=Message-ID:Subject:From:To:Date:In-Reply-To:References:From; b=KGzcweLRpZJiNtjicmP7GawbNpp2wt/qkigwf7AsUJufRuvAoEXDVHONLV1t8YF4J 4Eyvf/ij6oWOzPz5wCkNeFrBGGJIUCJiYKP/0q0nyNrnVoe4Fvtab5jsxid9ABimQU o7g/oKObcSQE+NgzTamNsHBWc4aBYAvuL3tleewg= Received: from bedivere.hansenpartnership.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (bedivere.hansenpartnership.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 8bSamE-ryG6k; Fri, 28 May 2021 08:27:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from jarvis.int.hansenpartnership.com (unknown [IPv6:2601:600:8280:66d1::527]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by bedivere.hansenpartnership.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id B1282128071C; Fri, 28 May 2021 08:27:44 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=hansenpartnership.com; s=20151216; t=1622215665; bh=osCrxTvDh4I+PoJ7BKkBl97R93DA/+e7bAH6MdgTeSI=; h=Message-ID:Subject:From:To:Date:In-Reply-To:References:From; b=KGzcweLRpZJiNtjicmP7GawbNpp2wt/qkigwf7AsUJufRuvAoEXDVHONLV1t8YF4J 4Eyvf/ij6oWOzPz5wCkNeFrBGGJIUCJiYKP/0q0nyNrnVoe4Fvtab5jsxid9ABimQU o7g/oKObcSQE+NgzTamNsHBWc4aBYAvuL3tleewg= Message-ID: Subject: Re: Maintainers / Kernel Summit 2021 planning kick-off From: James Bottomley To: Matthew Wilcox Cc: Greg KH , Christoph Lameter , Theodore Ts'o , Jiri Kosina , ksummit@lists.linux.dev, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-block@vger.kernel.org, linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org, linux-mm@kvack.org, netdev@vger.kernel.org, linux-arch@vger.kernel.org, linux-api@vger.kernel.org Date: Fri, 28 May 2021 08:27:44 -0700 In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" User-Agent: Evolution 3.34.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: bulk List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-block@vger.kernel.org On Fri, 2021-05-28 at 16:11 +0100, Matthew Wilcox wrote: > On Fri, May 28, 2021 at 07:58:10AM -0700, James Bottomley wrote: > > On Thu, 2021-05-27 at 15:29 +0200, Greg KH wrote: > > > On Thu, May 27, 2021 at 03:23:03PM +0200, Christoph Lameter > > > wrote: > > > > On Fri, 30 Apr 2021, Theodore Ts'o wrote: > > > > > > > > > I know we're all really hungry for some in-person meetups and > > > > > discussions, but at least for LPC, Kernel Summit, and > > > > > Maintainer's Summit, we're going to have to wait for another > > > > > year, > > > > > > > > Well now that we are vaccinated: Can we still change it? > > > > > > > > > > Speak for yourself, remember that Europe and other parts of the > > > world are not as "flush" with vaccines as the US currently is :( > > > > The rollout is accelerating in Europe. At least in Germany, I know > > people younger than me are already vaccinated. I think by the end > > of September the situation will be better ... especially if the EU > > and US agree on this air bridge (and the US actually agrees to let > > EU people in). > > > > One of the things Plumbers is thinking of is having a meetup at > > what was OSS EU but which is now in Seattle. The Maintainer's > > summit could do the same thing. We couldn't actually hold Plumbers > > in Seattle because the hotels still had masks and distancing > > requirements for events that effectively precluded the > > collaborative aspects of microconferences, but evening events will > > be governed by local protocols, rather than the Hotel, which are > > already more relaxed. > > Umm. Let's remember that the vaccines are 33-93% effective [1], > which means that there's approximately a 100% certainty that at least > one person arriving at the event from a trans-atlantic flight has > been exposed to someone who has the virus. I'm not convinced that > holding a "more relaxed protocol" event is a great idea. Well, I'm not going to get into a debate over the effectiveness of the current vaccines. I will say that all conferences have to now recognize that a sizeable proportion of former attendees will have fears about travelling and therefore remote components are going to be a fixture of conferences going forward. However, while we should accommodate them, we can't let these fears override people willing to take the risk and meet in person. James