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charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: "linux-arm-kernel" Errors-To: linux-arm-kernel-bounces+linux-arm-kernel=archiver.kernel.org@lists.infradead.org From: William Breathitt Gray > Sent: 15 January 2021 00:24 ... > That's part of the Bay Trail generation isn't it? Are those processors > still manufactured? My worry is that although there are boards still in > production, they might be simply using up an old stock of parts. The > question becomes whether these will still be produced in the near > future, or whether the companies are just using up the rest of their > supply. The 'stock of parts' might go back as far as etched wafers that haven't been cut up.... Even then it may take a moderate demand to get them processed. We're have to redesign a board to use a completely different part because the one we were using has gone end-of-life. Hopefully the replacement will be made for a while. The datasheet for that part is 12 years old. The designs for both are probably over 20 years old. The TDM E1/T1 interface is about 50. But it is still used. David - Registered Address Lakeside, Bramley Road, Mount Farm, Milton Keynes, MK1 1PT, UK Registration No: 1397386 (Wales) _______________________________________________ linux-arm-kernel mailing list linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org http://lists.infradead.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-arm-kernel