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Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2005 12:28:52 +0900
From: Magnus Damm <magnus.damm@gmail.com>
To: Jeffrey Hundstad <jeffrey.hundstad@mnsu.edu>
Subject: Re: Runs with Linux (tm)
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On 12/8/05, Jeffrey Hundstad <jeffrey.hundstad@mnsu.edu> wrote:
> Benjamin LaHaise wrote:
>
> >On Wed, Dec 07, 2005 at 02:12:20PM -0500, Lee Revell wrote:
> >
> >
> >>If even some "Linux-friendly" hardware manufacturers barely cooperate
> >>with the Linux comminuty now what makes you think this would work?
> >>
> >>
> >
> >Nothing in life is guaranteed.  But at the very least, I think it would
> >be a good step towards improving the Linux end user experience.  Instead
> >of the unclear mess we have now (Is it supported?  Check with your
> >vendor!), we would be able to say "Look for the Linux Certified logo".
> >Combine that with a standard format for source code driver disks, and
> >it would be a good step in the right direction.
> >
> >
> >
> The problem as I see it:
>
> A hardware vendor hires someone to write a driver.  The driver is
> completed and submitted and finally makes it into the kernel.  It's
> fully GPL and everyone is happy.  The hardware gets a "Native Linux
> Support" logo.  The card goes out of favor and no one is interested in
> maintaining the driver, it is marked obsolete and finally removed from
> the kernel. ...the logo still suggests the hardware will work.

I think "Designed for Windows" has the same problem. I know some
hardware that works well with Win98 but no driver exist for XP.
Fortunately that hardware works with Linux...

I would say the fix is "Runs with Linux(tm) 2005-2006" and the
hardware vendor finances maintainance during the specified period.

/ magnus