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From: Christoph Lameter <cl-vYTEC60ixJUAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
To: Jason Gunthorpe
	<jgunthorpe-ePGOBjL8dl3ta4EC/59zMFaTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org>
Cc: Or Gerlitz <gerlitz.or-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>,
	Doug Ledford <dledford-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>,
	Matan Barak
	<matanb-LDSdmyG8hGV8YrgS2mwiifqBs+8SCbDb@public.gmane.org>,
	Or Gerlitz <ogerlitz-VPRAkNaXOzVWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>,
	"linux-rdma-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org"
	<linux-rdma-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org>,
	Amir Vadai <amirv-VPRAkNaXOzVWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>,
	Tal Alon <talal-VPRAkNaXOzVWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH for-next V2 0/9] Add completion timestamping support
Date: Sat, 6 Jun 2015 03:16:18 -0500 (CDT)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <alpine.DEB.2.11.1506060304480.29634@east.gentwo.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20150604042540.GA8837-ePGOBjL8dl3ta4EC/59zMFaTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org>

On Wed, 3 Jun 2015, Jason Gunthorpe wrote:

> On Wed, Jun 03, 2015 at 07:55:58PM -0500, Christoph Lameter wrote:
>
> > I thknk the raw cycles and the rought oscillator speed are fine.
>
> Time keeping is designed to adjust for 100's of ppm drift between
> clocks.

What time keeping? Ntp? pptp is supposed to be accurate to 10s of ns and
we would need an accuracy in that range.

> A communications clock source will be spec'd to be below 200ppm in
> accuracy. IB clocks are below 100 ppm, and PCI-E is 300ppm (approx, I
> didn't check, order of magnitue is close)

Well that is not usable. ns are a billionth of a second which is the unit
of measurement of these activities here. A send action can be around 600-1000ns.
If we are off by 200ppm then that is 200 microseconds meaning 200000 ns.
And its our experience that these clocks can be off by milliseconds in
practice.

> That translates into 0.0625 Hz. for a 312.5 MHz ethernet reference clock

Ok that is around 3ns per cycle? And you think the accuracy is therefore
in femtoseconds? I have never seen something that accurate. Wish something
like that would exist. Maybe in some labs that provide the source of
global timekeeping?

> Compared to 5,000,000 Hz in error from rounding.

Huh?

> So no, I disagree that rough is fine for anything.

I am sorry but the practical issues that we are dealing with in
timekeeping today shows just the opposite. For a true comparison of clocks
with nanosecond accuracy you would need time corrected values and that is
a challenge due to the variances of the clocks that we see.



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  parent reply	other threads:[~2015-06-06  8:16 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 64+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2015-05-31 12:14 [PATCH for-next V2 0/9] Add completion timestamping support Or Gerlitz
     [not found] ` <1433074457-26437-1-git-send-email-ogerlitz-VPRAkNaXOzVWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2015-05-31 12:14   ` [PATCH for-next V2 1/9] IB/core: Change provider's API of create_cq to be extendible Or Gerlitz
     [not found]     ` <1433074457-26437-2-git-send-email-ogerlitz-VPRAkNaXOzVWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2015-06-01  9:21       ` Devesh Sharma
2015-06-01 17:00       ` Jason Gunthorpe
2015-05-31 12:14   ` [PATCH for-next V2 2/9] IB/core: Change ib_create_cq to use struct ib_cq_init_attr Or Gerlitz
     [not found]     ` <1433074457-26437-3-git-send-email-ogerlitz-VPRAkNaXOzVWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2015-06-01 16:53       ` Jason Gunthorpe
     [not found]         ` <20150601165335.GB14391-ePGOBjL8dl3ta4EC/59zMFaTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org>
2015-06-02  7:29           ` Matan Barak
     [not found]             ` <CAAKD3BAyNpEKwM7xu=LzFo2F=qP=EN9ZteL2yyAgBVuPNmvtqA-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2015-06-02 17:27               ` Jason Gunthorpe
     [not found]                 ` <20150602172711.GB17776-ePGOBjL8dl3ta4EC/59zMFaTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org>
2015-06-03  9:04                   ` Matan Barak
     [not found]                     ` <CAAKD3BA7ZD4Gx5c16Ak+0_64rzazw+7n4frkuKHyrvdT=8ac6w-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2015-06-03 16:02                       ` Jason Gunthorpe
2015-05-31 12:14   ` [PATCH for-next V2 3/9] IB/core: Add CQ creation time-stamping flag Or Gerlitz
2015-05-31 12:14   ` [PATCH for-next V2 4/9] IB/core: Extend ib_uverbs_create_cq Or Gerlitz
2015-05-31 12:14   ` [PATCH for-next V2 5/9] IB/core: Add timestamp_mask and hca_core_clock to query_device Or Gerlitz
2015-05-31 12:14   ` [PATCH for-next V2 6/9] IB/core: Pass hardware specific data in query_device Or Gerlitz
     [not found]     ` <1433074457-26437-7-git-send-email-ogerlitz-VPRAkNaXOzVWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2015-06-01  9:24       ` Devesh Sharma
2015-05-31 12:14   ` [PATCH for-next V2 7/9] IB/mlx4: Add mmap call to map the hardware clock Or Gerlitz
2015-05-31 12:14   ` [PATCH for-next V2 8/9] IB/mlx4: Support extended create_cq and query_device uverbs Or Gerlitz
     [not found]     ` <1433074457-26437-9-git-send-email-ogerlitz-VPRAkNaXOzVWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2015-06-01 16:56       ` Jason Gunthorpe
     [not found]         ` <20150601165649.GC14391-ePGOBjL8dl3ta4EC/59zMFaTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org>
2015-06-02  7:21           ` Matan Barak
     [not found]             ` <CAAKD3BBsTFYKwOBK+6u04x6deRYzjYESJzbpyy83UtoChZhpOA-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2015-06-02 17:07               ` Jason Gunthorpe
     [not found]                 ` <20150602170736.GA17776-ePGOBjL8dl3ta4EC/59zMFaTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org>
2015-06-03  8:57                   ` Matan Barak
     [not found]                     ` <CAAKD3BARPocK1zZ2nYV0xWHqEASJTYbp1aQxwymi-TYTyK_vGA-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2015-06-03 16:31                       ` Jason Gunthorpe
     [not found]                         ` <20150603163146.GD12073-ePGOBjL8dl3ta4EC/59zMFaTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org>
2015-06-03 18:58                           ` Or Gerlitz
     [not found]                             ` <CAJ3xEMhGdX-35WAjauKZE7+Wg39kbXP35UzYX33J6OB8g_9rYA-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2015-06-03 19:16                               ` Jason Gunthorpe
     [not found]                                 ` <20150603191609.GB7902-ePGOBjL8dl3ta4EC/59zMFaTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org>
2015-06-03 19:35                                   ` Or Gerlitz
     [not found]                                     ` <CAJ3xEMiPkxf_Qu40AozMRWZaY-dAfEyAOZGyT9VYsNpQO1Q-Zw-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2015-06-03 20:38                                       ` Jason Gunthorpe
2015-05-31 12:14   ` [PATCH for-next V2 9/9] IB/mlx4: Add support for CQ time-stamping Or Gerlitz
2015-05-31 12:31   ` [PATCH for-next V2 0/9] Add completion timestamping support Or Gerlitz
2015-05-31 19:00   ` Doug Ledford
     [not found]     ` <1433098827.114391.179.camel-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2015-06-01  9:30       ` Matan Barak
     [not found]         ` <CAAKD3BBo9A5AV9Uv-q1TgSQ6hs-oSUn5QsUT+5+6mk1RwW7AUA-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2015-06-01 11:25           ` Doug Ledford
     [not found]             ` <1433157904.114391.188.camel-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2015-06-01 13:58               ` Christoph Lameter
     [not found]                 ` <alpine.DEB.2.11.1506010852360.26845-wcBtFHqTun5QOdAKl3ChDw@public.gmane.org>
2015-06-01 16:39                   ` Doug Ledford
2015-06-01 16:43               ` Jason Gunthorpe
     [not found]                 ` <20150601164322.GA14391-ePGOBjL8dl3ta4EC/59zMFaTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org>
2015-06-01 17:00                   ` Doug Ledford
     [not found]                     ` <1433178057.114391.208.camel-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2015-06-01 17:29                       ` Jason Gunthorpe
2015-06-02 14:35                   ` Doug Ledford
     [not found]                     ` <1433255724.114391.225.camel-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2015-06-02 14:44                       ` Or Gerlitz
     [not found]                         ` <556DC167.5070205-VPRAkNaXOzVWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2015-06-02 14:53                           ` Doug Ledford
2015-06-02 18:08                       ` Jason Gunthorpe
     [not found]                         ` <20150602180844.GD17776-ePGOBjL8dl3ta4EC/59zMFaTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org>
2015-06-02 18:51                           ` Doug Ledford
     [not found]                             ` <1433271083.40123.1.camel-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2015-06-02 19:04                               ` Jason Gunthorpe
     [not found]                                 ` <20150602190410.GA23362-ePGOBjL8dl3ta4EC/59zMFaTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org>
2015-06-02 19:56                                   ` Doug Ledford
2015-06-03 19:48                           ` Or Gerlitz
     [not found]                             ` <CAJ3xEMjZqwJC8=HrMBv_eSVKVtLW7qjVZNjtuD28octGPtYu6w-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2015-06-03 20:46                               ` Jason Gunthorpe
     [not found]                                 ` <20150603204633.GE7902-ePGOBjL8dl3ta4EC/59zMFaTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org>
2015-06-04  0:55                                   ` Christoph Lameter
     [not found]                                     ` <alpine.DEB.2.11.1506031953500.11879-wcBtFHqTun5QOdAKl3ChDw@public.gmane.org>
2015-06-04  4:25                                       ` Jason Gunthorpe
     [not found]                                         ` <20150604042540.GA8837-ePGOBjL8dl3ta4EC/59zMFaTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org>
2015-06-06  8:16                                           ` Christoph Lameter [this message]
     [not found]                                             ` <alpine.DEB.2.11.1506060304480.29634-wcBtFHqTun5QOdAKl3ChDw@public.gmane.org>
2015-06-06 15:45                                               ` Doug Ledford
     [not found]                                                 ` <1433605546.40123.217.camel-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2015-06-06 20:25                                                   ` Or Gerlitz
2015-06-07  4:42                                                   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2015-06-07  4:49                                                   ` Christoph Lameter
2015-06-04 16:17                           ` Hefty, Sean
     [not found]                             ` <1828884A29C6694DAF28B7E6B8A82373A8FE4F16-P5GAC/sN6hkd3b2yrw5b5LfspsVTdybXVpNB7YpNyf8@public.gmane.org>
2015-06-04 16:47                               ` Jason Gunthorpe
     [not found]                                 ` <20150604164759.GC27699-ePGOBjL8dl3ta4EC/59zMFaTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org>
2015-06-04 17:24                                   ` Hefty, Sean
     [not found]                                     ` <1828884A29C6694DAF28B7E6B8A82373A8FE4F98-P5GAC/sN6hkd3b2yrw5b5LfspsVTdybXVpNB7YpNyf8@public.gmane.org>
2015-06-06  8:27                                       ` Christoph Lameter
     [not found]                                         ` <alpine.DEB.2.11.1506060318570.29860-wcBtFHqTun5QOdAKl3ChDw@public.gmane.org>
2015-06-08 16:40                                           ` Hefty, Sean
     [not found]                                             ` <1828884A29C6694DAF28B7E6B8A82373A8FE5AB8-P5GAC/sN6hkd3b2yrw5b5LfspsVTdybXVpNB7YpNyf8@public.gmane.org>
2015-06-10  1:26                                               ` Christoph Lameter
     [not found]                                                 ` <alpine.DEB.2.11.1506092018190.6681-wcBtFHqTun5QOdAKl3ChDw@public.gmane.org>
2015-06-10  8:45                                                   ` Or Gerlitz
     [not found]                                                     ` <5577F93F.9030405-VPRAkNaXOzVWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2015-06-10 23:54                                                       ` Doug Ledford
2015-06-10 16:04                                                   ` Hefty, Sean
     [not found]                                                     ` <1828884A29C6694DAF28B7E6B8A82373A8FE6746-P5GAC/sN6hkd3b2yrw5b5LfspsVTdybXVpNB7YpNyf8@public.gmane.org>
2015-06-11 15:24                                                       ` Christoph Lameter
     [not found]                                                         ` <alpine.DEB.2.11.1506111010580.18426-wcBtFHqTun5QOdAKl3ChDw@public.gmane.org>
2015-06-11 19:48                                                           ` Hefty, Sean
2015-06-04 17:30                               ` Doug Ledford

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