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From: Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>
To: Andy Lutomirski <luto@kernel.org>
Cc: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>, X86 ML <x86@kernel.org>,
	Borislav Petkov <bp@alien8.de>,
	LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Dave Hansen <dave.hansen@linux.intel.com>,
	Adrian Hunter <adrian.hunter@intel.com>,
	Alexander Shishkin <alexander.shishkin@linux.intel.com>,
	Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo <acme@kernel.org>,
	Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
	Josh Poimboeuf <jpoimboe@redhat.com>,
	Joerg Roedel <joro@8bytes.org>, Jiri Olsa <jolsa@redhat.com>,
	Andi Kleen <ak@linux.intel.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 3/3] x86/pti/64: Remove the SYSCALL64 entry trampoline
Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2018 21:54:11 +0200 (CEST)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <alpine.DEB.2.21.1809072145460.1402@nanos.tec.linutronix.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CALCETrUZm3KsonYVd5sn=LhoGZ2ciO7xT_Fz=jD_HZ04tB9o=Q@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, 5 Sep 2018, Andy Lutomirski wrote:
> On Tue, Sep 4, 2018 at 12:04 AM, Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org> wrote:
> > Can we have a few words on why this solution and not this alternative? I
> > mean, you raise the possibility, but then surely you chose not to
> > implement that. Might as well share that with us.
> 
> I can give some pros and cons.  With the other approach:
> 
>  - We avoid a pipeline stall.

Which is good.

>  - We execute from an extra page and read from another extra page
> during the syscall.  (The latter is because we need to use a relative
> addressing mode to find sp1 -- it's the same *cacheline* we'd use
> anyway, but we're accessing it using an alias, so it's an extra TLB
> entry.)

Ok, but is this really an issue with PTI?

>  - We use more memory.  This would be one page per CPU for a simple
> implementation and 64-ish bytes per CPU or one page per node for a
> more complex implementation.

That's the least interesting argument really.

>  - More code complexity.

Ok, but how much complex code is that?

> I'm not convinced this is a good tradeoff.

Well, the real question here is whether this has any advantage vs. the
percpu area exposure?

Thanks,

	tglx




  parent reply	other threads:[~2018-09-07 19:54 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 24+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2018-09-03 22:59 [PATCH v2 0/3] x86/pti: Get rid of entry trampolines and add some docs Andy Lutomirski
2018-09-03 22:59 ` [PATCH v2 1/3] x86/entry/64: Document idtentry Andy Lutomirski
2018-09-06  9:50   ` Borislav Petkov
2018-09-08  9:33   ` [tip:x86/pti] " tip-bot for Andy Lutomirski
2018-09-03 22:59 ` [PATCH v2 2/3] x86/entry/64: Use the TSS sp2 slot for SYSCALL/SYSRET scratch space Andy Lutomirski
2018-09-07  8:00   ` Borislav Petkov
2018-09-08  9:34   ` [tip:x86/pti] " tip-bot for Andy Lutomirski
2018-09-03 22:59 ` [PATCH v2 3/3] x86/pti/64: Remove the SYSCALL64 entry trampoline Andy Lutomirski
2018-09-04  7:04   ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-09-05 21:31     ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-09-07 12:36       ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-09-07 19:54       ` Thomas Gleixner [this message]
2018-09-08  0:04         ` Linus Torvalds
2018-09-08  4:32           ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-09-08  6:36             ` Thomas Gleixner
2018-09-08  6:33           ` Thomas Gleixner
2018-09-07  9:35   ` Borislav Petkov
2018-09-07 16:40   ` Josh Poimboeuf
2018-09-08  4:35     ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-09-08  9:35   ` [tip:x86/pti] " tip-bot for Andy Lutomirski
2018-09-08  9:57   ` tip-bot for Andy Lutomirski
2018-09-12 19:33   ` tip-bot for Andy Lutomirski
2018-09-12 19:36   ` tip-bot for Andy Lutomirski
2018-09-04  3:43 ` [PATCH v2 0/3] x86/pti: Get rid of entry trampolines and add some docs Linus Torvalds

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